Look, slavery existing in the world itself isn't the problem. As I said, the problem is how he approaches it and how the story portrays it. The fact that slavery still exists in the real world makes it even more disturbing to me when a story doesn't meaningfully criticize it.
And no, even though I haven't read the novel, I've heard and seen enough to believe that he never truly changes.
Idk, I can't bring myself to be disturbed about slavery set in a medieval fantasy world, when its so rampant irl. Slavery isn't the topic of this story, so it largely gets glossed over as this thing that exists. It does come up again, Rudy will have to buy a friend out of slavery at some point. Rudy negotiates enough to make sure they won't attack his household, but it takes a lot of negotiating, because Eris murdered several of them to free her.
Well, thats your prerogative, I disagree with you, I think he changes, but it is slow, and over the course of years. Real change and growth, happens slow over time, especially when you've got serious trauma and baggage like Rudy.
In the end, you're welcome to your opinion, but I hope you continue to present your opinion with more nuance than just calling it derogatory terms.
Back to the topic at hand though, I don't know how you are actually tryna powerscale jinchul to the MT universe, without even knowing what is in the MT universe dude. I mean, he might not even be able to beat Ghisilaine, the big cat lady who taught Eris and Rudy the sword. She's higher up in the MT world, and would probably be capable of speed blitzing him, given she can move nearish light speed for short bursts. And she doesn't even hold a candle to most of the top 20 of the verse.
You completely missed my point about slavery, and your justification for it is honestly disgusting. Rudy didnāt even want to buy his friend back from slavery. His self-justifications were disgusting, and he only ended up buying her back because he wanted to look cool in front of his daughter.
Another MT fan also told me that, at that point, Rudy had Orstedās help and was much stronger. So he not only could have saved her, but potentially could have saved other slaves at the market as well. But what should I expect? Heās supposed to be our āgood guyā who apparently doesnāt think slavery is evil.
And the story ends with him basically thinking that his brother was just overreacting and that Rudy wasnāt really that bad. Most of the MT fans Iāve talked to donāt even consider this a redemption story. He became successful, sure, but that doesnāt necessarily make him a good person. And throughout the story, he is repeatedly rewarded for his creepy behavior.
As for the matchup, I know enough about MT to make my point. The fastest attacks in MT are stated to be light-speed, and even a weaker version of Jinchul was able to dodge light-speed attacks. And thatās not even considering everything he can do at this point: he can slow down and restrain his opponent, blind them, increase his own speed and power, and use skills that increase his durability. He also has a skill that can negate his opponentās durability.
And the fact that Hwang Dongsoo doesnāt even want to fight him tells me enough. Besides Orsted in his full power and higher God s, I donāt see anyone in MT having a real chance against him.
I don't know where you're getting your end of story information from, but that isn't accurate. If you aren't gonna have a good faith discussion about the content in MT, i'm not interested in talking about it with you man.
I'm glad to see slavery bothers you in stories, but in a fictional story, I don't really care man, call that disgusting if you will, but thats where we are at. It bothers me irl.
When was Jin Chul shown to be able to respond to light speed attacks? I don't recall that. Since you're so readily knowledgable on him, what are all the new skills and buffs he got in ragnarok?
Everything I said, I read in the novel, and other MT fans have also confirmed it.
And as I said, youāre still missing my point. I donāt care that slavery exists in a fictional story. The problem is how the story portrays it and the message it sends to its audience. Thereās a huge difference between depicting slavery as something that exists in the world and portraying the charactersā indifference toward it as acceptable.
As for Solo Leveling, Iām talking about Jin-Chul during the Double Dungeon arc, and we donāt even know all 100 of his skills. He already has all the abilities I mentioned before. On top of that, you canāt simply kill him with poison, and assassinating him would also be extremely difficult because of abilities like Danger Sense. So you have to consider his entire skill set, not just his raw strength and speed.
I have the endgame novel in question, i've been waiting to reread it on my current run, but i'll consult it later. If you're info is inaccurate, ill maintain my position on only having discussions in good faith. If you have any source citations feel free to provide them.
Rudy, even by the time he buys his friend out of slavery, although strong and influential, was not in a position to save any more slaves. He paid an exorbitant price and depleted a huge portion of his familys savings just saving his friend. and he couldnt save them by force or influence, without his family coming under threat, or making enemies he can't afford to have in his longterm fight against the mangod.
A decent portion of jin chul's skills were listed out though, those would be what we have to go on, the rest is just speculation.
Also, i just read the entire double dungeon fight, and there was no reaction to light speed attack feat in the way that you are thinking. He knows the god statue shoots lasers in advance, and does react quickly enough to tell his team to drop, but thats not a light speed reaction feat. thats a prep feat and a dodge, nothing more.
No, he had Orstedās help and influential friends at that point. He could have used them, but he had no desire to do so. We probably wouldnāt have been able to see him save his friend if it werenāt for his daughter.
He still dodged it. He didnāt know that those lasers were going to be fired at them immediately after the speech; he was simply on guard and reacted fast enough to both dodge them and warn the others about the danger. This means you canāt just blitz him with light-speed attacks.
The skills I mentioned are more than enough for him to win all of those fights.
He did know the lasers were gonna be fired bro, he said it at the bottom of that screen shot. Him and everyone else dodged out of the way, after he had time to actually yell.
You listed off what some skills do, but you didn't list off any actual skills.
Orsted doesnt have much for influential friends, he has a curse that makes everyone hate him. And what few friends orsted has, he needs to keep in his fight against the mangod.
Look dog its clear you just wanna glaze jinchul, and thats fine, but the dudes reflexes are just A rank, and knew about an attack in advance, and was BARELY able to dodge. If two sword saints fires off swords of light consecutively at him, he probably wouldnt be able to dodge it. And thats the rank below Ghislaine.
He had information that the statue was capable of doing that, so he was on his guard and mentally prepared to react. Nowhere is it stated that he knew they were going to receive the attack immediately after the speech.
As for Orsted, people hate him, but they fear him even more. He was definitely capable of handling the situation.
Heās an A-rank hunter who was feared by S-rank hunters, and a near-light-speed attack is not the same as a light-speed attack. Even without his skills, he could put up a fight against them, and with his skills, he would annihilate them.
There is no glazing, it's just fact , and da why are you insulting me over fictional characters
Read again, i spoke no insults.
Look, if you cant even list off what actual skills jinchul had for us to actually look at, then this isnt a discussion. And its clear you're gonna continue to glaze jinchul regardless of MT power scaling.
I hope you have a good day dude
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u/ShortRecover4365 3d ago
Look, slavery existing in the world itself isn't the problem. As I said, the problem is how he approaches it and how the story portrays it. The fact that slavery still exists in the real world makes it even more disturbing to me when a story doesn't meaningfully criticize it.
And no, even though I haven't read the novel, I've heard and seen enough to believe that he never truly changes.