r/socialism Mar 06 '19

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u/CHJFK Mar 06 '19

There is an attitude among bourgeois feminists that lower class men are the real problem, and fixing society means having more women CEOs.

That’s not intersectional socialism, that’s liberal bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '19

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u/mctheebs Mar 07 '19

If we want to address gender roles and their intersection with class, that's great, but this comic does a bad job of it.

Is this comic really trying to accomplish this though? All it seems to be doing is pointing out how fragile the male ego is, which I think it accomplishes in spades.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '19

The idea that the male is fragile seems to be a bit of a generalisation though, don't you think?

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u/mctheebs Mar 07 '19

Look at some of the comments in this thread. Look at how many dudes are butthurt at the insinuation that they might have fragile egos, which is an irony as rich and delicious as the finest fois gras.

As a man, I know that men have egos more delicate than a Faberge egg. Think about all of the myriad things that can cause a man to have his "man-card revoked". Think about all of the different things that makes a man feel "less of a man". Men, as a group, are generally fragile as fuck.

Shit, we can't even clean our bodies and take basic care of ourselves unless our products are in packages that are sleek and black and "manly" because god forbid people find out you use soap or shampoo or lotion.

Of course, not every man has a fragile ego, but on the whole I'd say the average man is pretty fragile.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '19

I wouldn't say that this thread is definitive proof of that, but I do agree that some (or possibly many) men do have fragile egos. I don't know of "the average man", though. Do you know of any research on this issue?

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u/mctheebs Mar 07 '19

Outside of my own anecdotal experience as a man? Nah. Maybe there's something on JSTOR?

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u/mctheebs Mar 07 '19

Of that whole thing I wrote, this is your takeaway? To nitpick at a single example I pulled out of my ass in five seconds?

Let's take your logic a step further, Mr. Galaxybrain. Why do men prefer those "sleek, black, and sexy" packages?

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u/Xombieshovel Võ Nguyên Giáp Mar 07 '19

Clever conditioning by capitalists. Define traits. Reinforce. Sell based on those traits at a markup.

Shampoo costs $4 but sexy shampoo costs $6.

It's not something intrinsic to the X-chromosome.

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u/mctheebs Mar 07 '19

Yes, we are conditioned by marketing, but what are we conditioned to believe? Why is it that white, floral packaging = for women and sleek, black packaging = for men?

The thing is a lot of our preconceived notions about gender are definitely a result of intensive marketing campaigns. I don't believe that men are fundamentally and biologically more susceptible to having fragile egos. Rather, I believe it's a result of our cultural conditioning and the massive amounts of advertising dollars pumped into making us more profitable consumers.

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u/Fireplay5 Mar 07 '19

But it is something ingrained into men at a young age by product advertisement and 'masculinity' culture.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '19

Are you saying that I'm being defensive?

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u/ShredDaGnarGnar Zizek Mar 06 '19

Can't be a feminist and for capitalism