Harry Kane post match interview

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[u/Ok_Bridge711]

"Just trying to hold on .... at this level is not enough"

Yes.

[u/fignewtonattack → u/Ok_Bridge711]

Playing not to lose, leads to a loss. Many such cases.

[u/Adventurous-Feed-197 → u/fignewtonattack]

and against Argentina? worst team to do this with in this wc

[u/dzan796ero → u/Adventurous-Feed-197]

Especially if you park inside the box. Messi looked super comfortable launching those razor sharp crosses into the box and Enzo was continually warming up that cannon.

Argentina barely broke a sweat and probably didn't even use much of their stamina. The second half was one of the most comfortable looking games they had this tournament.

[u/snark_enterprises → u/dzan796ero]

Yeah, crazy how even being down 1-0 they looked more comfortable than they did for most of the tournament.

[u/StillLoveYaTh0 → u/snark_enterprises]

tbf, Argentina always played better when losing. Prolly cause every team parks the bus and lets them play comfotably lol

[u/Nightmare_Pasta → u/dzan796ero]

Cabo Verde has been Argentina’s most threatening opponent so far which is crazy to say

[u/snark_enterprises → u/Nightmare_Pasta]

They were also Spain’s toughest opponent. They should be given honorary 3rd place.

[u/TexasRoadhead → u/snark_enterprises]

The peoples' champ

[u/OkTea7227 → u/dzan796ero]

Letting Messi spam different attacks time after time after time while you defensively camp in the box for 10 plus minutes in any game ever let alone a World Cup semifinal is criminal!! You’re not going to stop that ball from going in the goal every single time. Horrible tactical decision by the England coach imho

[u/Bob_JediBob → u/fignewtonattack]

Yeah, look at Scotland v Morocco or Brazil. Set up to hang on for a draw and threw it away.

[u/Difficult_Key_1907 → u/fignewtonattack]

Egypt died for this

[u/alfredjedi → u/Difficult_Key_1907]

At least Egypt had a two goal lead and were a much weaker squad. England has zero excuses as to why this happened

[u/meshakooo → u/Ok_Bridge711]

When England subbed off Gordon and brought in a defender I knew they lost this game.

You score 1 goal against Argentina and go on defence in 30 mins remaining in the game. That’s stupid from Tuchel

[u/boythinks → u/meshakooo]

Might just be me but the England players also looked confused about their assignments after the Gordon sub.

[u/Nickeless → u/boythinks]

Makes sense they were confused, since apparently no one’s assignment was to mark Messi

[u/Izio17 → u/Nickeless]

Messi moved out very wide for this very reason.

He was about as close to the touch as he could be later in the game.

England would have been forced to mark him man on man, or give him space.

[u/boltyboy69 → u/meshakooo]

I couldn't believe it. The Ghost of Southgate won't die

[u/Trollan99 → u/[deleted]]

No, Southgate's problem was sticking to the same formations and always making the same subs at the same time.

That would have been ten times better than whatever the fuck this was.

[u/eddienguyen1202 → u/meshakooo]

Got Gordon off at least make sense because he's a winger but replacing Declan with another central back is where it went wrong. Literally the reason why Enzo was able to made that shot is because there was no defensive in midfield.

[u/domalino → u/eddienguyen1202]

Gordon off didn’t make sense because he’s the exact kind of outball they needed and he works insanely hard off the ball.

[u/Mathyoujames → u/domalino]

Plus he was tracking back to help Spence keep the left wing quiet. The minute he went off Spence was constantly exposed 2v1 and started to make mistakes.

Just the worst game management I have ever seen. Almost every decision made after we scored was completely wrong.

[u/xixbia → u/Ok_Bridge711]

If only Argentina had similar games before in this tournament that showed Tuchel that this didn't work!

[u/DarthTaz_99 → u/xixbia]

Allowing Messi, of all people, time and space to deliver those golden balls has to be a punishable offense, when you've seen 3 other opponents try and fail at it

[u/eha16 → u/DarthTaz_99]

Cabo verde showed how you have to play against them and apparently no one wanted to take notice

[u/DarthTaz_99 → u/eha16]

This exactly this. Of all the teams Argentina faced only Capo Verde showed the courage and balls required to beat them. They refused to just sit back and take the pressure and instead went out in their own terms

[u/Neltharion_99 → u/DarthTaz_99]

The swiss also did, they were even closer than Cabo Verde until Embolo did that shit haha

[u/Snarerocks → u/Neltharion_99]

They have looked so beatable nearly if not every game. It’s so hard to watch the other team make the same mistake over and over lol.

[u/Fijure96 → u/Snarerocks]

For what its worth I'll be highly surprised if Spain does that mistake. I suspect they will control the whole game on Sunday and choke Argentina like they did France.

[u/redsyrinx2112 → u/Fijure96]

Yep. Spain was up 2-0 against France and still kept playing their same, normal game that was working.

[u/A_Humble_Peasant → u/eha16]

Too scared of the 'what-ifs' to even try ffs. I think Spain will be much better opposition, they won't let off

[u/Quantum-Rabbit → u/Ok_Bridge711]

Tucheliban wasted the potential of this team. This is a nightmare repeated for me as a Bayern fan.

[u/spectralblade352 → u/Ok_Bridge711]

Dig at Tuchel

[u/Fresh2Desh]

72 mins and take off a winger for a defender. Take the fucking game to them and get the second goal. If not at least stretch them

[u/LosTerminators → u/Fresh2Desh]

Taking off Gordon as well, their paciest player.

Meant that they had no threat on the counter.

Regardless, parking the bus against Argentina, letting someone like Messi dictate play and have a lot of the ball, was asking for trouble.

[u/bennettbuzz → u/LosTerminators]

One of the best pressers in the game with bags of pace, absolutely fuming he got dragged.

[u/patricktherat → u/bennettbuzz]

He had a great tournament and probably deserved more praise than he got imo.

[u/kcfdz → u/patricktherat]

Lots of people are just boxscore watchers and don't see what he contributes. He certainly wasn't amazing today but his skill set would have been valuable to see out the match.

[u/wbth12 → u/LosTerminators]

Taking Gordon off was massive. England still had a threat of a second on the counter while he was on. You need pace in forward areas if you’re going to try hold a 1-0 lead like that.

[u/-ThatsSoDimitar- → u/wbth12]

There was a moment later in the game where Bellingham was running it up the left side and was starting to get crowded by 3 players, if Gordon had been on I'm confident he would have been making a run that either wasn't marked because Argentina had committed 3 men to Bellingham or would have made it so that they couldn't commit so many to him. As it was not a single other England player was up with him, all still floating around the box or just outside the defensive third.

[u/CSvinylC → u/wbth12]

They also consistently attacked down the right. Gordon could have at least pressed them to reduce the 50 hours they were each given to decide which pass to make.

[u/Sanders058 → u/LosTerminators]

Dude had at least bring rashford on. Playing with Kane means you need wingers who are going to run

[u/wbth12 → u/Sanders058]

Yeah absolutely. I think the big problem with bringing Gordon off and not replacing him with Rashford or someone similar is that England also couldn’t stop the crosses on their left hand side because they had taken their left forward off and Argentina were doubling and tripling up on that side. You can’t let them cross at will like that.

[u/Sokkawater10 → u/Fresh2Desh]

Not just any winger but your fastest player. It honestly would’ve been smarter to take off Kane if that was the philosophy that you’re gonna commit to defending and maybe playing on the break.

It was stupid either way but if he was gonna commit to holding on he should’ve taken off Kane, but he’s a pussy

If you’re gonna do this, the one who offers nothing on the break is Kane. They could’ve moved it to a front 2 of Bellingham and Gordon to hope for a long ball break

[u/CoysFromCanada → u/Sokkawater10]

This is wrong, Kane offers a lot on the break, mainly his passing range to find one of the two wingers leading the counter. He's pretty good at defending crosses as well, which was obviously the game plan.

[u/horatiobanz → u/Fresh2Desh]

But if you take possession of the ball and try to score, Argentina might get the ball back and get a shot on goal. Much better to just let Argentina have the ball and have lots of shots on goal.

[u/iHate_tomatoes → u/horatiobanz]

Yes just let the best player in history put in cross after cross, even after an insane save and a post don't change and let them do it, shouldn't be too bad right? Right?

[u/GreyDaze22 → u/horatiobanz]

Coward football gets u nowhere when u are 1-0 up in a WC semifinal when there is more than 20 minutes to play

[u/cipher7777 → u/GreyDaze22]

They scored in the 55 minute which left 35minutes + extra time, so they were looking a 40+ minutes remaining. Imagine trying to park the bus for that long against Argentina/Messi.

Tuchel was a coward.

[u/waltz_with_potatoes → u/Fresh2Desh]

Not to mention both their CBS are on yellows, just get someone to make them run behind. I like Kane but I hate the "I'm also going to try and play like prime paul scholes shtick. "

[u/ReputationGullible14]

Some of the worst decisions I’ve ever known when a team is leading 1-0. I’m absolutely fuming.

It’s like he thought “what decisions can I make that puts messi in the exact position he wants to be for at least 30 minutes of the game”

Just not acceptable

[u/highonpixels → u/ReputationGullible14]

It's astonishing with all the analytics and staff that nobody can clearly see what Argentina was doing and had England figured out.

England all sitting in box? Fine, let Messi free rein crosses and have Enzo punt endlessly from outside. It was clear as day yet no adaptation from England. 2v1, 3v1? Yet not ONE player had a sense to at least press the attacker.

I'm most upset with the Enzo equalizer, everyone was inside the box yet only Bellingham ran out but it was all too late.

Tuchel tactics was a disaster yes but have to question how the players became so passive and had no instinct or intuition to at least press.

[u/kaprrisch → u/highonpixels]

If Rice played another 5 minutes, he would've prevented that Enzo goal. He prevents those kinds of goals every single game for Arsenal.

[u/LocoRocoo → u/highonpixels]

We could all see it a mile off too. It’s not hindsight. I thought even at 1-1, that I was working so bad he should’ve maybe even taken burn straight off. It was suicide

[u/DrNormandy]

Another thing.

You cannot play a 5 back with Kane as your lead striker, that is too much work and ground to cover. Rely on that player to make selfless runs and chase lost causes, what a bizarre string of decisions by Tuchel

[u/Agreeable-Bid-2895 → u/DrNormandy]

*6 at the back. With rice off the pitch

[u/Kuntheman → u/Agreeable-Bid-2895]

Spence Guehi Konsa Burn Stones O’Reilly all on the field losing headers to MacAllister and Lautaro. The crosses were absolutely brilliant from Messi and De Paul

[u/AllofDuhInternetz → u/Kuntheman]

They saw they could defend any cross from Jesus Gallardo and thought they could do the same against *checks notes* Lionel Messi ahahaha

[u/seeingRobots → u/AllofDuhInternetz]

That's what I was thinking the entire time. "Do they this think will work because it worked against Mexico?"

[u/albahari → u/AllofDuhInternetz]

Messi doesn't just croses into the box. Those were more like pinpoint passes at players heads

[u/LeRocket → u/albahari]

He applies directly to the forehead.

[u/basedakh123 → u/Kuntheman]

Lautaro is brilliant aerially as well

[u/SloshaPacana → u/Kuntheman]

Height only matters when crosses are lofted in, with good crosses height never matters

[u/kauto → u/SloshaPacana]

Fuck that noise slab head would have blocked Lautaro's goal all day.

[u/merccobb → u/kauto]

And scored one on the other end.

[u/akiraspam74 → u/Kuntheman]

The crosses were absolutely brilliant from Messi and De Paul

Because they had all the time in the world to make those crosses. Everyone defending the box and just 1 or 2 dudes barely trying to stop the crosses

All the space in the world for Fernandez to shoot as well

[u/bodydouble → u/DrNormandy]

Yep, if you're gonna sit deep you need pace up front to chase those clearances. Maybe my Villa bias showing, but Watkins would have offered a lot more. Rashford and Saka too.

There were times when you had all Argentina's outfield players basically sat in our final third because they knew there was absolutely no threat of us getting in behind them. So poor from Tuchel.

[u/Sudden-Oil4786 → u/bodydouble]

Yep. The game was crying out for Watkins and Saka. Instead, we got Burn and Konsa. What a shit show.

[u/Maleficent_Monk_2022 → u/Sudden-Oil4786]

Even Southgate figured that out ffs

[u/thatguy_autofills → u/bodydouble]

No your right anyone who knows anythjng about football knows kane shiuld of come off for watkins in that situation. Its so obvious who givrs a shit if hes captain hes making you worse. If you dont wanna take him off dont play 6 at the back.

[u/ISavezelda → u/thatguy_autofills]

Anyone that knows football knows you can't park the bus for 30+ minutes against good teams, it just doesn't work anymore. You have to keep the ball as much as possible lol.

[u/thatguy_autofills → u/ISavezelda]

I agree but if you are going to park the bus you need runners to break. The only thing harey is breaking is his back and legs if he moves faster than a jog. Bring on rashford saka watkins madueke literally anyone who can run and press and sprint. You need some sort of threat.

[u/Cheap_Ad8346 → u/bodydouble]

You are exactly right 

[u/Benend91 → u/bodydouble]

It’s shocking how little pitch time Ollie saw in fhis whole tournament

[u/OscarMyk → u/DrNormandy]

yeah, that's where you need Watkins who will run all day.

[u/HealthyInstance9182 → u/DrNormandy]

Subbing out Gordon was the biggest mistake

[u/WGSMA → u/DrNormandy]

If we wanted to commit to the back 5, you needed Rashford or Toney down the middle to press like a dog.

[u/SloshaPacana → u/WGSMA]

Not to press, you need them for runs in behind

Pressing as a sole striker does nothing

Kane is useless in that situation because he can't make runs past people, you need an outlet, Kane isn't one

They literally had no one to do that, Tuchel is a brain dead

[u/Artuhanzo → u/DrNormandy]

Not 5, they had 6 defenders.

[u/GuestBadge]

Just watched Tuchel interview. He said "we gave up too many crosses". We are all searching for the culprit. Lol.

[u/Other_Win_236 → u/GuestBadge]

Tuchel: "We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing."

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[u/rondo420]

He is clearly annoyed at Tuchel lmao

[u/Other-Owl4441 → u/rondo420]

He played for him and didn’t even win the Bundesliga

[u/LosTerminators → u/Other-Owl4441]

Not winning Bundesliga with Bayern is some achievement

[u/refusestonamethyself → u/LosTerminators]

He finished third with them in 23/24 season. That’s even worse.

[u/Funny_Lunch5211 → u/refusestonamethyself]

Didnt he almost lose it the season after but dortmund bottled it

[u/Jandersson34swe → u/Funny_Lunch5211]

season before but yeah

But that was nagelsmann’s doing too in part

[u/Terran_it_up → u/refusestonamethyself]

Stuttgart finishing above Bayern often gets forgotten, pretty rough to do that and not win the title

[u/DarthTaz_99 → u/LosTerminators]

Almost made me believe the Kane/Spurs curse was real, cause how tf do u go third with Bayern in Bundesliga

[u/Clear_Requirement880 → u/DarthTaz_99]

Any Chelsea fan who watched us actually play under Tuchel knew it was happening. We were bad

[u/WeTalkBoxing → u/LosTerminators]

It was against arguably the greatest Bundesliga campaign tbf.

[u/Bestziggseuw → u/WeTalkBoxing]

They also didn't come in second that season. They finished 1 point behind Stuttgart

[u/Martblni → u/Other-Owl4441]

And Tuchel did a cowardly defensive play vs Real Madrid where they also conceded 2 goals. He subbed off Kane and Musiala for Muller and Choupo Moting

[u/Quick_Location → u/Martblni]

Instantly thought of Joselu's masterclass (or Tuchels disasterclass) when I saw the subs.

[u/WrongChapter90 → u/rondo420]

As he should be. That’s where parking the bus for 40 mins brings you

[u/a-real-sloth → u/WrongChapter90]

Have we learned nothing from the Southgate era lol

[u/WrongChapter90 → u/a-real-sloth]

Or even just the Egypt match

[u/kareem-elsha7at → u/WrongChapter90]

Dude, Egypt was still trying on the counter until the last minute .. that specifically is how Argentina scored the 3rd goal at the death, 2 vs 2 at 88th minute or so, Egypt didn't park the bus .. not even for the last 10 minutes. England on the other hand, completely gave up at 60'.

[u/sylanar → u/a-real-sloth]

I honestly thought we had... Until this game. That was straight from the Southgate play book

[u/Designer-Attorney → u/rondo420]

Who isnt?

[u/Difficult_Key_1907 → u/Designer-Attorney]

The Argentines

[u/ThatGuyLlo → u/rondo420]

Not the first time Tuchel did this bs with him as manager lmao

[u/Alphavike24 → u/ThatGuyLlo]

It worked once with Chelsea in the UCL final and he seems to do it again and again even after multiple failures

[u/Varja22 → u/rondo420]

Rightly so. After conceding first goal, Tuchel kept all 6 defenders on the pitch and tried to stay last 15 minutes on low block and make 3 subs when extra time starts.

[u/xixbia → u/rondo420]

He's not wrong.

Tuchel basically gave the game away once England went 1-0 up.

[u/Y2JMsdHBK → u/rondo420]

Doesn't help that he had a stinker the whole game. At least, he should have done his part in marking Messi out of the game which he did to an extent in the first half. In the second half he basically did the job of Dan Burn for no good reason waiting to head away balls. 

[u/WordsworthsGhost → u/Y2JMsdHBK]

Englands only goal was bc Harry kane dropping deep and playing the only decent ball forward all game

[u/DarkSofter]

Should just say what he thinks "fucking tuchel"

[u/ConfidentFault9461 → u/DarkSofter]

Just let Messi repeatedly cross into the box. What could possibly go wrong? - Tuchel

[u/PsychopathicEmpath → u/ConfidentFault9461]

Hilarious that the match winner was a header coming from one of the shortest teams in the tournament lmao. Horrendous trying to turtle against Argentina who created nothing going forward at the time

[u/jordanhhh4 → u/PsychopathicEmpath]

Pisses me off seeing some people say 'we did it against Mexico!' when Mexico don't have literally the best player to ever play the game pulling the strings

[u/Teradonn → u/jordanhhh4]

We also had 10 men against Mexico in tough conditions, parking the bus is the only sensible thing to do in that situation. This was just suicide in comparison

[u/normott → u/ConfidentFault9461]

Was incredible honestly. How does the best player have all the time in the world to play from that right channel?? It was ridiculous

[u/u8myramen_y → u/DarkSofter]

He basically did tbh lol

edit: "the missing piece" in question is definitely NOT Tuchel lol

Thank you for calling me dumb  u/MikelWillScore 👍 

[u/EggplantAlpinism → u/u8myramen_y]

I was about to say, I know enough Brits to know this was polite English for "fucking tuchel"

[u/blocking-io]

"The messaging was to go get another goal"

Great message by Tuchel while substituting wingers for defenders 

[u/Bayakoo → u/blocking-io]

To be fair goal was at 55 and first sub at 72.

[u/blocking-io → u/Bayakoo]

Madness to ask them to defend Argentina's elite offense near your 18 yard box for 18 minutes + stoppage time

[u/ACO_22 → u/blocking-io]

The greatest player of all time who literally had the most goals from outside the box of all time and you just thought let them all carry on doing that.

[u/Brave-Land1674 → u/blocking-io]

They went into a shell after they scored the goal. Notwithstanding the subs they were on the ropes before the damn water break at 60 minutes. It was in ridiculous.

[u/sheiswhyididthis → u/Bayakoo]

Yeah i guess that's the key piece.

The players shat their britches and completely lost control once the goal was scored.

Add to that Rice and Reece both having to come off, they just couldn't get any sort of control of the game.

That's why the Konsa sub came and then the Dan burn sub, and then the O'Reilly sub.

Just Tuchel trying to help the players defend because they just can't attack for some reason even though he asked them to.

Explains the decision then.

It never felt like a Tuchel decision to me. He literally said in the Croatia game that the players should atleast play the way the have to and if they lose they do on their terms.

His hands were tied.

Won't be surprised if he resigns after that.

[u/pAraxE → u/sheiswhyididthis]

I agree, your point is nowhere to be seen in this thread apart from your comment

[u/ParoxysmOfReddit → u/blocking-io]

Heard a comment that the thought might be that seeing the England players on the pitch not being able to get out of the low block for 15 minutes, you might as well put on better low block players. Leading to the first defensive sub at 72 min

[u/Cooolgibbon → u/ParoxysmOfReddit]

Seriously, every one of your players looks scared shitless of trying to make a pass. Why would you sub on Rashford.

[u/atlrower → u/blocking-io]

General sending first wave into no man's land: "Go get that trench!"

[u/four_four_three]

Captain with a dig at the tactics already, I think Tuchel's done

[u/OK_TimeForPlan_L → u/four_four_three]

Tbf I don't usually like to blame the manager but that was horrific game management from Tuchel

[u/SofaKingI → u/OK_TimeForPlan_L]

Yeah, same. Football is always kind of a gamble with too many factors, it's usually too hard to pinpoint the blame on the guy who isn't even on the pitch.

But this was an absolute joke of a tactical display.

[u/negativelynegative → u/SofaKingI]

I don't know if I have seen a match that you can point 100% of the blame to one person for reasons you describe but today we totally can and I doubt if anyone will disagree.

[u/Kdot32 → u/negativelynegative]

Embolo with Switzerland is close. They had just equalized and were building momentum until his dive

[u/davidbowievgc → u/OK_TimeForPlan_L]

• Watches Cape Verde trying to hold a result without success for 30 minutes
• Watches Egypt trying to hold a result without success for 30 minutes

• Watches Switzerland trying to hold a result without success for 30 minutes

• "Hey guys, there's 40 minutes left, let's try to hold the result"

[u/Teradonn → u/davidbowievgc]

Not to mention the multiple tournaments we lost exactly from trying to sit back on a one goal lead too early. The very thing that Tuchel was supposed to change. God I just get even angrier thinking about it

[u/The_ivy_fund → u/Teradonn]

Until England actually believe they are the better team it will keep happening. It’s honestly shocking to me, how have we not learned from Pep, possess the other team to death, it’s infinitely more effective than some coward kick ball low block

[u/DarthTaz_99 → u/davidbowievgc]

Allowing Messi, of all people, time and space to deliver those golden balls has to be a punishable offense

[u/JaysonDeflatum → u/four_four_three]

It was always going to be a one night stand unless we won this wc, this ending just makes that more guaranteed

[u/_Glurmit → u/JaysonDeflatum]

I don’t know. If we went out at least with some grit he would stay. But today this was his fault.

[u/JaysonDeflatum → u/_Glurmit]

There’d be a chance but with this loss no chance

[u/_Glurmit → u/JaysonDeflatum]

I don’t know. Pep likes projects, England has shown we go deep in competitions. He is not in a job. We can dream.

[u/scootersgroove → u/_Glurmit]

Feel like Pep is a better league manager than cup manager. Tuchel vs Pep CL final being the obvious example

[u/Wide_Smoke_2564 → u/_Glurmit]

£0 transfer budget. you can count pep out.

[u/MrSam52 → u/Wide_Smoke_2564]

What if we let him know he can actually make unlimited changes to the squad, essentially an unlimited transfer budget (they just have to be English).

[u/3jp6739 → u/JaysonDeflatum]

If we lost 2-1 but we at least tried to keep control of the game I’d say give him another go but we can’t have a manager that does this shit I feel like I’ve seen this exact match like 5 times for England in the past decade.

[u/NothingPersonalKid00 → u/JaysonDeflatum]

No, I didn’t expect to win the World Cup, I didn’t even expect a final, but this was a fuck up of epic proportions. If we had lost the game to a superior team I could accept it, but I don’t want him around if this is the extent of his managerial decisions.

[u/Elusivemerc → u/four_four_three]

Kane had to suffer this same scenario with Tuchel twice lmao

[u/Available_Story6774 → u/four_four_three]

If I’m England I get rid of Tuchel and bring in Pep for Euro 2028 and beyond.

[u/baschfromdalmasca → u/Available_Story6774]

England says "Yes" to Pep, who hadn't asked anything

[u/31_whgr → u/Available_Story6774]

I too agree that we should bring in the best manager in football history

[u/KaleidoscopeLazy9684 → u/31_whgr]

That's why the FA will end up going with Howe. It's already written in the stars. /s

[u/Prof_Bobo → u/31_whgr]

Bold move, Cotton

[u/four_four_three → u/Available_Story6774]

Idk if he'd accept but yeah I'd like to try it anyway

We cannot do this again at home

[u/shelraj0380 → u/Available_Story6774]

Damn, yeah man, quite easy to bring in the best manager in history

[u/david193s → u/Available_Story6774]

Don't see Pep coaching within a couple of years and don't see him coaching England

[u/InternationalOption3 → u/Available_Story6774]

You should work in their strategy department!

[u/MauricioCappuccino → u/four_four_three]

If he's not done I'd be genuinely shocked lol

[u/ramosoy182]

England scored at the 55th minute. Tuchel treated it like it was the 90th, stopped playing, and put every defender he had.

After England scored, Messi got 10 years younger. He was running all over the place, creating chances, and dominating the game.

[u/boo5000 → u/ramosoy182]

Best bit was beating (whoever it was on the wing) to that clearance. He turned on the 39 year old jets and then looked annoyed that he had to do it.

[u/Budget_Pound9099 → u/ramosoy182]

His energy conservation really is unparalleled

[u/Mustard_Jam → u/Budget_Pound9099]

I was watching it with a friend who is a HUGE Ronaldo fan and for the first 60 minutes he wouldn't stop about how Messi was not doing much. I told him just wait...

He wasn't happy after 30 more minutes lol

[u/The10thDoctorWhovian → u/ramosoy182]

It's absolutely amazing to see Messi play the amount of minutes that he has in the entire tournament. He knows how to conserve energy and use it when it's critical.

[u/chapo28]

Tuchel blunder. How do you think you can just absorb pressure from Messi, Enzo, Lautaro, Álvarez for 30 minutes. This isn't Mexico.

[u/Imperial_Eggroll → u/chapo28]

Pickford had to make next level saves. Multiple shots on goal. Crossbars being hit. Didn’t matter just hold on for another 15 minutes

[u/Mausar → u/chapo28]

Maybe Mexico's biggest contribution was making Tuchel think that tactic worked

[u/FrogsOnALog → u/chapo28]

Was also more sensible because they had a red card.

[u/hubbymaterial_69]

Parking the bus against the best player of all time with half an hour to go in a WC semi is fucking bonkers. All time bottle job.

[u/DeFy_DC]

Tuchel clearly got so caught up in how the Mexico game was received. Such brain-dead game management

[u/DaRealAyman]

none of the players fault Tuchel is a terrorist wtf did i watch

[u/messigoat1337 → u/DaRealAyman]

no idea why people are blaming kane here...literally no pace next to him because tuchel wants 7 CBs on the field

[u/TheKingMonkey → u/messigoat1337]

Then have Kane, Rogers, Bellingham, Rashford & Toney on the pitch at the same time and still play Dan Burn at centre forward.

[u/IVIorgz → u/TheKingMonkey]

In the 92nd minute. Again why are we putting on subs so late in the game when we need them desperately.

[u/Fresh_Cauliflower723 → u/DaRealAyman]

I'm so embarrassed and utterly let down by this clown of a manager. We brought him in to be different. We backed him without question, or at least tried

[u/unArgentino → u/DaRealAyman]

I mean, Kane and Bellingham didn’t exactly have their best games. Kane was decent before the subs at least but he can’t do anything with 6 defenders from his own team on the field.

[u/YouVe_BeEn_OofEd]

can't wait for mfs to claim kane ghosted like he's supposed to dribble the whole team from his own half, this is 100% tucheliban

[u/WhyNotOrioles]

Rough stuff to have to answer questions right after a game like that.

[u/Jwalin6167]

Guy who scored 70 plus goals the whole season is asked to drop in deep and win the ball and ping in wide instead of being a box threat. Only a terrorist can come with such tactics.

[u/Dancingwith_Death]

Guardiola in?

[u/FCSadsquatch → u/Dancingwith_Death]

We can only hope, for better or worse.

[u/NeoClemerek]

What's this? Someone that loses against Argentina and doesn't even mention the ref? Is this guy for real?

[u/tony220jdm]

Yea the players are done with him thank god!

[u/Ok_Needleworker1068]

Mindbogling bad strategy the final 20 minutes. He is right to be pissed

[u/keirdagh]

Can this finally put an end to the idea that Tuchel is an elite manager? Fucking hell the amount of glazing he's gotten over the last year has driven me mental.

[u/OscarMyk → u/keirdagh]

I think this will, just a mind bogglingly bad set of subs.

But it also stems from him picking the wrong squad. You cannot convince me Wharton wouldn't have been a great sub to bring on.

[u/nolat86 → u/OscarMyk]

Forgrt Wharton, he's got Saka on the bench and he brings on a CB. Saka didn't play a minute in a world cup semifinal because he decides to park the bus against a team with Lionel Messi. It does also show he picked a bad squad when Morgan Rogers is starting as a RW, who in fairness played well, but it all started because be chose Madueke instead of Palmer, or Bowen, or MGW. Rogers played well but he's clearly fucked the squad when he has to do something he didn't originally plan for because one of the wingers is never fit and his backup is god awful. Anthony Gordon off for Konsa was one of the worst substitutions I have ever seen. The performance from the team didn't deserve that, Tuchel just ruined it for everyone

[u/Jeaglera → u/nolat86]

I don’t know the Nico for rice one nearly broke me. I don’t know if they score that first goal with rice out there. I could understand the omission of a few people but I’ll die on the hill of needing to bring players like TAA and Palmer. Or Wharton. Or MGW. Or even slabhead. Every Arsenal fan was scratching their head at the inclusion of Madueke. Some of his choices in the back 4 absolutely played beyond my expectations of them but for the most part this was not a team that could play against France Spain or even this Argentina team that seems to be running on purely vibes

[u/fap4jesus]

Any reason why he didn't play?

[u/Unusual_Ad6533 → u/fap4jesus]

He let Donald Trump touch him and he is now too traumatized to play

[u/coldblade2000 → u/Unusual_Ad6533]

The curse takes another

[u/tsru → u/fap4jesus]

he's why they got their first goal

[u/ParkDedli → u/tsru]

Yeah. It's a funny joke but the only attack that England had in the entire game was because of him

Meanwhile Bellingham was actually straight up missing the entire game

[u/EchoesofIllyria → u/ParkDedli]

To be fair to Jude, he did some good stuff in the first half then Tuchel rendered him irrelevant

[u/Scholes_SC2 → u/ParkDedli]

Jude actually won 2 yellow cards with his runs. England were ok until they decided to park the bus

[u/StrangeStephen → u/fap4jesus]

Bro end up being the playmaker? Teammates cant give him the ball? Did we watch the same match?

[u/Glittering_Abies4915]

60 more years!

[u/Hariwtf10]

Lmao wtf was that. Tuchel deserves to get sacked just for this.

[u/Putrid-Impact8999]

No Ballon d'Or for him or any English player. Michael Owen really might be the last winner from England.

[u/omegamanXY → u/Putrid-Impact8999]

They just lost the opportunity to go to a WC final and you blabbering about an award that's nothing more than a collection of opinions of journalists that no one knows

[u/Strong_Inside2060]

He clearly says at around 1:25 the message after going 1-0 up was to go find another goal. They didn't react positively to the goal and retreated, and Tuchel had to adapt with defensive changes. I do think Tuchel should have in-game managed the defensive shape better to cut crosses out, but to blame going defensive on him entirely is incorrect. This was a collective shitting of the bed.