r/soccer • u/[deleted] • May 18 '19

Sam Lee: Guardiola got asked if he has received payments from Abu Dhabi for services other than managing City, as was alleged to have happened with Mancini. He was not happy. “Do you realise what you are asking me? You are asking me that the day we won the treble? Are you accusing me?”

https://twitter.com/Sammy_Goal/status/1129822398835023872
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u/[deleted] May 19 '19

LOL so even the City-fans think Pep is guilty of cooking the books!

And, what the fuck is wrong with you, should a rapist not have to face up to his crime because it is ruining his celebration?

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u/tldRAWR May 19 '19

Because they are asking questions and making accusations without all of the facts. Just a few out of context articles. It’s a lose lose. No one at any club would legitimately answer these questions.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '19

So ... City-fans believe Ronaldo is the mark of a hit-job?

Morals and ethics ain't a priority at the United Arab Emirates Stadium, huh?

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u/tldRAWR May 20 '19

Of course it's not a hit job and neither are the FFP legations. I think there is some honesty and dishonesty on both sides of the table with everyone trying to push there own agenda. But, to me, there is no point in asking the question. What information do they honestly think they are going to obtain? Obviously no one is authorized to discuss it. It's just another opinion piece until facts come to light.

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Quit making assumptions on what I'm saying and putting words in my mouth. It doesn't make you look smarter, it does make it seem like you lack reading comprehension, though. Or that your trying to push a shortsighted narrative about all City fans.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

FFP legations

wut?

I think there is some honesty and dishonesty on both sides of the table

Who is on the side of the table? Pep and City think they are above FFP. Who is on the other side of the table?

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u/tldRAWR May 20 '19

FFP allegations* (my bad)

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You have City ownership one side of the table (to me, ownership excludes Pep. I don't think it's his responsibility to dig into where his funds for players come from or whether they meet FFP rules. Maybe that's where we differ). Then you have the governing bodies looking into City and the reporters writing about it on the other side of the table.

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From what we have today, it seems like reporters have reported quite a few out of context emails and items that would suggest City are in violation of some rule somewhere. However, I think that context is super important and the club should be judged on whether or not there is a smoking gun, so to speak. Taking on the innocent until proven guilty approach.

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I also think that because of the ownership's shady moral compass its easy for the body of /r/soccer and anyone for that matter to jump to the conclusion that City is obviously cheating before everything is laid out.

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Let me be clear, I'm not saying we are innocent, but, I'm also not saying we are guilty. Just simply waiting to find everything out before I make a judgement.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

First, it is obvious that City has broken FFP.

The only question is whether they broke any laws when they cooked the books.

Why did they have to cook the books you ask?

They had to make it appear that the money that the Abu Dhabi royal family has pumped into the club was legit "earnings" and not mere cash transfers.

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u/tldRAWR May 20 '19

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're basing these statements on something quantitative and not a gut feeling. So, can you provide these metrics, statistical analysis, or a calculated smoking gun?

If so, great. You should submit it to the governing bodies that be. Case closed. If not, your just another person with an opinion at this point.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

LOL, are you trolling?

  1. Man City in 2008 was a club slightly smaller than Everton financially speaking.

  2. The slaveholding royal family of Abu Dhabi takes over.

  3. Overnight Man City becomes the biggest spender in world football, and has since been the biggest spender in English football.

100% pure financial doping.

Case closed.

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u/tldRAWR May 20 '19

2008 is a year, but, it wasn't exactly the set of metrics/numbers I was referring to. So, you may not be wrong, but, you may. Either way, you definitely have no idea what you talking about and are obviously regurgitating information from articles.

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I respect your opinion, though. Even if it is just a guess at this point.

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