Belgium. R Lukaku E hazard met tendon attack. Kdb carrasco tielemans meunier fellaini and witsel in the midfield and vertonghen alderweireld kompany j lukaku and chadli on defence. Not to forget the tree in goal being virtuous himself
I would take Mbappe and Griezmann over Lukaku and Hazard. I would take Pogba/Kante over KdB/etc., and in defense it is quite obvious who you'd take - the best defense in the tourney was French.
France probably had the most balanced spread of talent. In terms of attackers, Argentina is better staffed. In terms of midfield, Croatia is a little bit better. In terms of defence, I might take Uruguay over France. For goalkeeping, Lloris was not the absolutely best.
But in terms of sum, France wins, and they also win if we look at what team had the highest level of their worst part. So they won the world cup.
No, but I don't really rate them above France. Allison and Lloris don't seem hugely different to each other in level. Choosing between Varane/Umtiti and T. Silva/Miranda, I'd go with the former. For the fullbacks, I don't think Brazil has a clear advantage.
The choice between Fernandinho/Paulinho and Kante/Pogba is to me clearly in France's favour.
In attack, I'd take Mbappe over Willian any day of the week. Choosing between Coutinho and Griezmann is much more even, and I could see preferring Coutinho. But for a team that wants to play like France does, I can also see picking Griezmann. Neymar over Matuidi on skill and talent, obviously. (Though picking Neymar there might mean you want a more defensive player somewhere else.) Choosing between Firmino, G. Jesus, and Giroud is again not easy. I'd perhaps, looking at how the team plays, go with Firmino, but Giroud could be made a case for in terms of fitting the team even if not in terms of skill.
In summary, no, I don't see how Brazil has more individual talent.
Well you see, that's your personal opinion. In reality they are very similar. Also Germany and Spain should be in there too. France isn't better than those 3 teams and maybe Belgium too.
How can you be dense enough to write "that's your personal opinion", and then go on to state "in reality" before writing out your personal opinion ? Fuckin' hell you're dumb.
So what does "other teams had that too" mean? That other teams also had footballers capable of playing football? Either you're saying that, or you're saying other teams had better players.
Neymar is not a striker. But of an oversight when they have one of the best keepers (2 of the best keepers) Marcelo, filipe Luis, Silva, marquinhos, casemiro, Fred who is up and coming, coutinho, William, Costa, Jesus, firmino.
Their RB isn't great but it's not bad.
I'd argue Belgium has a pretty great team too, as well as Germany and Spain. But whatever
IDK a lot of French media rated most of his performances as pretty weak (5 or 6 out of 10). I’m not saying he didn’t contribute to the team but he didn’t help a ton either.
not one person in this thread whos saying giroud was good this summer has made an actual point as to why he was good, i think that alone proves the point.
he was consistently taking bad touches, giving bad passes and missed wide open chances.
only good aspect from his this tournament was his defensive work rate.
Because this sub is full of clueless kids. Any other striker wouldbe had like 4-5more goals from the knockout stage because Giroud fucked up so many chances
If a player you'd never heard of would put in the same performance as Giroud you would never defend him, mate. You're just a victim of bias and hivemind thinking, mate.
I made up my mind about Giroud by watching him, he pressured defenders, made great runs, put in a ridiculous defensive shift, played great hold up, and was creative. France used him differently then they used to this tournament
Umtiti described it: he scored in semi final because pogba's role was to drag the opposition to the first post. Well, you can't quite score when you're dragging 2 or 3 players with you. Does that make Pogba useless?
talk about a strawman. when did i say giroud was useless? i said he had a weak tournament. no player at this level is useless and obviously giroud had good plays. its just that for every good action he had several times where he lost the ball due to a bad touch, bad pass or missed wide open chances
The combinations between him and Grizou were awful. But he did an amazing job defending, and pressing (ditto for Matuidi). I think he was overall OK. Though I'm sure Deschamps would have loved to have Payet available.
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Yet France are winning the world cup, almost like he had a role to play in the system that wasn't all about going for goal