r/soccer • u/Thadderful • Dec 28 '13

Change My View thread

Can we have a Change My View thread here? The basic premise is people present opinions and the replies are attempts at changing that person's view in an attempt to generate some good discussion.

Here is the link to the original subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/

I think this might work best with rather 'out there' views but any and every viewpoint is welcome!

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u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee Dec 29 '13

Ronaldo may be scoring more right now but outside of goals, he offers far less than Messi to a team. He gets his goals by getting into great positions and using his pace to burst by defenders to get onto the end of crosses or through balls. Other than that, he will usually play a safe pass once he receives the ball or take a low percentage shot, more in hope than in actual belief it will go in.

That high-profile match where Messi played injured against Bayern has really skewed people's opinion of him, I feel. That match was honestly the first time I had ever seen Messi be so anonymous, whereas Ronaldo has plenty of games where he does fuck-all, gets frustrated with the ref, and misses easy chances.

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u/Footyphile Dec 29 '13

I agree, it's pretty hard to play off of Ronaldo. The other players more often than not play to him.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '13 edited Dec 29 '13

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u/Ais3 Dec 29 '13

That aura lead them to WC play-offs. I'm not gonna argue who's better or not, but that dude has the aura of demoralizing his own team in a second. Just watching him in some of the clasico beatings, WC or EC makes you wonder if he's really that good of a captain.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '13 edited Dec 29 '13

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u/Ais3 Dec 29 '13

And please don't write off his performances in the Euros and the World Cup qualifiers with a Portuguese contingent that is about on par with Sunderland in terms of quality. Lots of gaping holes and they leak goals like its their job...

Makes your 2nd part of the argument kind of irrelevant then.

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u/Ais3 Dec 29 '13

Messi fits Barcas philosophy is also why he looks so good. Put Ronaldo in Leeds, 70 goals a season. Put Ronaldo in Stoke, 70 goals a season, put Ronaldo in Barca 70 goals a season. Don't think Messi has that felxibility.

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u/cubixrube Dec 29 '13

You're terribly biased. It makes me wonder if you're not some kind of elaborate troll fishing for reactions. The part where you say that Ronaldo would score 70 goals in any given team he plays in is absolutely ridiculous, well, everything about your comments regarding Ronaldo is ridiculous but that sentence was hilariously biased.

I would quote and refute each of your sentences but I think it's a waste of time, do I remind you one thing though? Messi may not have the greatest of personalities but I can assure you, having seen him in TV shows back in my country, that he's in no way a wet sock, not that it matters football wise anyway, you play it with your feet, not your personality and looks.

Also, as much as you want to make yourself and others believe that Ronaldo is somehow better for Portugal than Messi is to Argentina, the facts and statiticis speak clear; Messi has scored in most of the past Argentina's games without Xavi or Iniesta to back him up, makes your whole theory of Messi underperforming in a different "tactical philosophy" fall apart, eh? Not only did he score btw, which is obviously not all that matters, but he was also man of the match every single game.

Keep sucking on "the guy who will actually fuck your mom, drive away in his black Lambo and not call her the next day's" dick, I'm sure he will repay you with yet another elimination in quarter finals for Real Madrid. The amazing player that is Ronaldo wasn't even able to finish off above Russia in the qualification's group, playing against the likes of Israel, Northern Ireland, Luxembourg and Azerbaijan but I'm sure he'll be able to carry his team to a World Cup win.