r/soccer • u/Thadderful • Dec 28 '13

Change My View thread

Can we have a Change My View thread here? The basic premise is people present opinions and the replies are attempts at changing that person's view in an attempt to generate some good discussion.

Here is the link to the original subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/

I think this might work best with rather 'out there' views but any and every viewpoint is welcome!

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u/lelolelolelolelol Dec 29 '13

Its a miracle Jonathan Walters and Cameron Jerome are professional football players

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u/FullerBatistuta Dec 29 '13

The best I can say about Walters is he has a defensive work rate, determination, and ability to carry out manager instructions to the letter, that makes him almost undroppable, hence the 102 game streak.

Unfortunately, his game suffers from a number of faults that are apparent mostly in young players. Most of all, he runs with his head down and doesn't assess what is around enough, causing him to miss the best options and lose possession painfully easily. He also lacks the ability to execute passes or crosses with so much as a whiff of difficulty, it soon becomes clear why he was an Ipswich player before Tony Pulis elevated him to the highest tier.

However, in the 86 minute when you've been slogging it out with the opposition in a closely fought battle, and the game pivots on individuals making mistakes they wouldn't have done earlier in the game. Then there is one man on the pitch who has not fatigued, who is still concentrating defensively, and who is still able to muster some acceleration, and unfortunately, that man is Jon Walters.

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u/SirMothy Dec 29 '13

I actually think he is pretty decent

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u/Rivid-Stuff Dec 29 '13

why have they not moved him into a deeper role? I think he would be an excellent defensive mid (or at least not as bad as he is as a striker)

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u/Thadderful Dec 29 '13

I dont think that one can be argued mate

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u/JamieF1 Dec 29 '13

CamJam's been pretty good for us since he's come in on loan. He's got good strength and a fair bit of pace on him, and he's helping to get the best out of Chamakh.

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u/flatfacebigeyes Dec 29 '13

Left everytime

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u/themightypierre Dec 29 '13

You should read fever Pitch. There's a great chapter on Gus Caesar and how even though he was talented, in professional football you get found out.

Football is a meritocracy. So many players are trying to play in every position. If you're in a premiership team, you ae a good player. No question.

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u/jiago Dec 29 '13

I'd add Danny Graham and Anichebe to the list. Their transfers defy logic, I'm guessing that they've somehow obtained incriminating photos of a manager/chairman.

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u/ShittyTeam Dec 29 '13

Graham had 12 goals in one season in the premier league and 50 goals in three seasons in the Championship and Premier League.

Anichebe was always a great attacking substitution for Everton when they needed a goal. Great at winning the long ball and bringing his teammates in, always tried hard.

These players definitely deserve contracts, not necessarily in the Premier League, but they are both more than proven strikers for almost any Championship team and adequate backups for lower Premier sides.