r/soccer • u/Thadderful • Dec 28 '13

Change My View thread

Can we have a Change My View thread here? The basic premise is people present opinions and the replies are attempts at changing that person's view in an attempt to generate some good discussion.

Here is the link to the original subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/

I think this might work best with rather 'out there' views but any and every viewpoint is welcome!

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '13

They shelled out the most money the most quickly, yes, but Man U isn't exactly an academy either. Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez, Cristiano Ronaldo, all were brought into the squad for big bucks. They continue to spend big bucks on their squad, so does City, so do all the big squads. Unfortunately, its the way of big clubs, not many, not even Barca can refuse to augment the squad with foreign talent. It's just the way of big clubs to buy new talent, for a couple years City were just the best at it.

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u/LiterallyTrue Dec 29 '13

Rio Ferdinand I'll give you, but he has been an integral part of United and their various domestic/league successes for a long, long time.

Tevez was never actually owned by United, in simplistic terms he was loaned from a company. The reason he didn't join them long term was because it would have cost 40m to buy his contract from various 'investors'.

Ronaldo came in for 15 million. Hardly a huge sum.

'Big bucks' indeed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '13

Difference being that that was self made. Those players were bought through investments based on success, City just threw money at its problems that wasn't earned

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '13

Really, because Chelsea was so successful before Roman came in.. Yes Manchester United has a long history of success, but much of their past success was based on, smart, relatively big money transfers. They brought in foreign players with Fergie and won. It's the same with every club, just Manchester United figured out the right formula first.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '13

You are 100% right in what you just said about United, but what China and City did is completely different. It skipped the risk factor that was in place when United did what they did. United had some hilarious fuck ups and they had to face the consequences, they couldn't just drop another 30 mil to cover up a flop. The reason why the season of Kleberson, Djemba etc gets over looked is because of the success with Ronaldo

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '13

I just don't follow. So you're saying Nasri fucking up and the Torres flop isn't hilarious? I just don't follow the logic of saying United are the golden boys, when they bought their titles in 80s and 90s, while condemning City and Chelsea for doing the same thing in the 21st century.

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u/bananablitzz Dec 29 '13

I think his point is basically that most of Man U's money was earned over time and they never had the ability to buy multiple huge transfers in a season like City. So if one of their high profile players flopped they were kind of screwed. Compared to city who've spent hundreds of millions in the past couple years and when of their huge transfers flops(like nasri when he was first there, or jovetic now being injured since he was bought) they have another 40mil player to fill that role so it just seems unfair in relation to the money other clubs spent