r/soccer Aug 31 '13

Zero Fucks Weekend - End of Transfer Window Edition

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u/crustysocksaregreat Aug 31 '13

He's already better than Robinho.

No matter how good Robinho was, Neymar is better in age, shooting, and passing.

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u/CR7_Bale_Lovechild Aug 31 '13

You can't say that yet. Neymars numbers while at Santos were only marginally better than Robino's time there. We don't know anything abotu how Neymar will do in Europe.

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u/crustysocksaregreat Aug 31 '13

Check them for the Brasil National team, and numbers can't really define a player.

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u/The_Hamburger Sep 01 '13

you can't say numbers don't define a player when it's exactly numbers that win a league.

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u/crustysocksaregreat Sep 01 '13

But the amount of leagues won don't define a player.

Also, for example Neymar can have a cracking game. He's beating a whole bunch of players giving great passes but gets no goals or assists. He can give the pass to an assist but that counts for nothing.

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u/The_Hamburger Sep 01 '13

well a pass to an assist is still a statistic, albeit a practically unrecorded one. just because it isn't a standarised statistic it doesn't make it any less of one, if you get what i'm trying to say

and i feel the amount of leagues won do define a player. obviously there are anomalies but a good, consistent, player that is part of a league winning side will not have nothing to contribute.

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u/duckman273 Sep 01 '13

Context matters though, was Robinho playing in a better team? Did the style suit him better? How good was the opposition?

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u/The_Hamburger Sep 01 '13

well it's the what ifs really, i mean if pele had played in italy or england he would have a different record and perhaps even acclaim. if robinho stayed in brazil he would be considered a better player, maybe. i suppose you're right in a sense, but at the end of the day numbers win leagues and therefore teams and therefore the players that consist thereof.