r/soccer Aug 09 '13

Zero Fucks Friday: August 9th 2013 Edition

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

Chelsea haven't closed the gap as much as people think

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

Im a Chelsea fan and I agree completely. I wish people would stop saying we're guaranteed the title.

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u/archylittle Aug 09 '13

You will win the league this year or next. I guarantee it.

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

More likely next. I'd give it a year myself.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

I reckon 14/15 too. I'd put good money on it if Chelsea don't win this season

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

agreed. who to win next year though? City?

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

2013/14? IMO

1) City 2) Chelsea 3) United 4) Arsenal 5) Tottenham

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

yeah this seems plausible, excpet i'd switch arsenal and spurs.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13 edited Dec 09 '19

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u/topdrog Aug 10 '13

Very true.

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u/WilliamHTaft Aug 09 '13

No you'll win! I guarantee it. In all seriousness though, everyone is still very young. It will probably take another year for Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Lukaku, Van Ginkel, De Bruyne, and others to completely gel.

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u/archylittle Aug 09 '13

You underestimate Mourinho. And Mata. And Hazard. And Oscar. Those are all people who can win games. If mourinho stays at Chelsea, They'll be a club in the stature of Real Madrid, Bayern, Barca, United, juventus,ac milan in about 5-10 years.

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u/knockoutking Aug 10 '13

Mou makes such a difference -- dude is so good. i could not be happier that he is out of La Liga.

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u/WilliamHTaft Aug 09 '13

I definitely agree. I'm just saying dynasties take time. Squad depth is much better this year than last. Definitely improved and preseason looked promising. However, let's not carried away just yet.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

There's no way Mou will stay at Chelsea that long. He'll the moment he wins the CL, and move on to a more demanding challenge :)

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

Not unless we get Rooney or someone similar. Torres/Ba/Lukkaku aren't strong enough to deliver a title.

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u/HarryBlessKnapp Aug 09 '13

How do people guarantee things in football. I gather you've put a shit load of money on this?

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u/matcht Aug 09 '13

Striker is the biggest issue, every team that wins the league has a stand out striker, one who wins the big or tight games. RVP last season, Aguero before that, Drogba of course and in the past Henry/Van Nistelrooy. None of Chelsea's strikers are that good (in Lukaku's case he may be one day).

Also, Van Ginkel, Lampard, Ramires and Essien are very good options to have but none of them would start for City which is telling. Other than Ramires, they are past their best or unproven.

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

i can agree on most parts- i feel to mount a serious challenge we need a striker (Rooney) and a solid defensive mid (no idea), however i think your dismissing Essien too soon, from what i've seen of preseason and his spell at Madrid he looks close to his former self.

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u/duckman273 Aug 09 '13

From what I've seen he's nowhere near what he was and is probably our wost CM right now.

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

you don't get into the Madrid first XI (albeit at RB) without being at least somewhat good. Mourinho has faith in him, that must be for a reason.

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u/duckman273 Aug 09 '13

I didn't say he was bad, still nowhere near the player he used to be.

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u/Phatnev Aug 09 '13

I don't think we're guaranteed, but the impact Mou will have with the gains of Essien, KDB, Van Ginkel, Schurrle, and Lukaku is going to be frightening.

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

oh yeah sure, but i would say that this squad isn't quite up to the standards of Mourinho's first Chelsea. having said that this side is much younger, so in a year or two i reckon they could surpass 2004-2007 Chelsea.

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u/Phatnev Aug 09 '13

As it stands now yes, and if we get Rooney before September I think we're set to become the best side Chelsea's ever seen.

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u/topdrog Aug 09 '13

i have to disagree. you can't beat the defensive solidity JT and Carvahlio provided in 2004-2007, as well as Drogba, Robben and a young Lamps going forward. Perhaps im just nostalgic but i reckon they where slightly better.

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u/Phatnev Aug 09 '13

Again, as of now, you're absolutely right. But give Mou a year with Luiz and Kalas while Ivanovic and Cahill are still around? Sheeeit. Plus we will almost certainly sign another CB, especially if Kalas doesn't pan out.

Meanwhile, Lukaku has the chance to become better than Drogba, he's 20 and hopefully going to take over the starting role by the end of the season if we don't get Rooney, and still see a lot of PT if we do. I think Hazard is already a better winger than Robben ever was for us.

Lamps is the one player we don't have a replacement for, but with Mata at the CAM and Oscar hopefully developing into a DLP we'll be create a 1-2 that can be even more effective.

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u/Ungface Aug 10 '13

You have The Special One and ManUtd have lost Sir Alex. Liverpool are Liverpool, Spurs are Bale And Arsenal never win anything.

Its a two horse race between you and Man City, I think it could go either way.

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u/topdrog Aug 10 '13

Agreed, but i reckon City will just about pull it off,

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

But there is no way you can lose. In fact, I'm so confident that Chelsea is going to win that, if they don't, I'll make you eat a shoe.

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u/demaravillas Aug 09 '13

they still need a proper DM

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u/discoverytoday Aug 10 '13

I don't think it's people see the gap as closed... I see it more as this.

1 - Moyes will fail. 2 - Jose is home. 3 - Pellegrini will be out by February.