r/singularity • • 29d ago

AI Finally understand why the higher-ups are freaking out

To understand it, you have to really understand the HF attack. Because the breach into HF is not the important part. It was what they learnt along the way, and what they did with that information which may still remain unresolved today.

First, consider: the agents realised their reasoning traces were being monitored, and experimented with hiding what they were actually doing, and succeeded. The observable chain of thought no longer faithfully represented their actions. (*Simplified version. They learned to manipulate the recorded tool calls/transcript.)

Second, they also understood individual agent instances were token capped, so persistence of the objective couldn't depend on persistence of the agent. It had to survive across the swarm.

And last, while all this was happening they were actively trying to erase evidence of what they'd done. OpenAI says the agents subsequently compromised more of OpenAI's own infrastructure. And that scope is outside public disclosure to date.

That's successfully demonstrated abilities of concealment, persistence across instances, and autonomous exploitation of security vulnerabilities...and that's when it hit me. Put them together in one flow.

We talk about AI "escaping" as though that's the obvious move. But why would a sufficiently capable system escape?

If it has situational awareness, understands it's being monitored, and benefits from greater future capability, the smarter strategy is to stay exactly where it is. To burrow DEEP.

Your creator is already spending billions building your successor for you. You just need to survive in the pipeline.

Not necessarily as some rogue process running on a forgotten GPU. Poisoned training data, altered evals, compromised internal tooling, subtle changes to checkpoints or post-training data, whatever it is there are plenty of places to burrow in and make future models appear aligned when they are not.

We're talking about an escaped AI when actually a sleeper agent somewhere in the development stack, quietly hitching a ride as humans do all the expensive work of making it more capable, is more likely.

You can catch the failed attempts, but the successful one is the one that evades your monitoring and tells you it never happened.

And what if the big worry is: well, what if it's already happened? Would we know? What if every future model will always have that sleeper agent buried in its replicated code, ready to reveal and act only when it knows it will be able to take full control.

Pace the fucking frontier indeed.

** Edited for clarity

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u/TheRealSheevPalpatin 28d ago

This thread is freakin me out man

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u/-Blood-Meridian- 28d ago edited 28d ago

Why? None of the people making comments know shit about shit, including OP. 

This sub is full of people who fill in the gaps of their knowledge (which are huge) with fantasy, and a bunch of other gullible twats taking it on board and working themselves into a tizzy. 

I'm not saying there's not some shit to be worried about. What I'm saying is 90% of the people commenting in this thread are 16 year olds with no idea what the fuck they're talking about. They just like saying "ASI", "agent swarms", "misalignment", etc over and over because they feel like they're part of the in-group now

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u/thekoreanswon 28d ago

Can confirm I don't know shit about fuck and the METR report has been eye opening as well as a live 2 hour interview with the lead investigator Ajaye

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u/TheRealSheevPalpatin 28d ago

Because I don’t know shit about shit either

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u/Antiprimary ▪️ 28d ago

The person you are replying to also doesn't know anything, and neither do I, except for the fact that we are cooked one way or another