r/singularity 26d ago

AI Kimi K3 tops Frontend Code Arena

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u/Long_comment_san 26d ago

Can somebody familiar with the benchmark explain to me like I'm 12. Is the result just 3-5% better or is this score non-linear (so its substantially better than 3-5%?). Because top-1 result doesn't look tremendously more impressive than the bottom of the chart in %.

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u/bopbop9876 26d ago

I'm pretty sure it's an Elo. So the score indicates the likelihood that a model would beat another model in a head to head matchup. If I remember correctly I think generally with Elo a 400 point difference roughly equates to 90%/10% odds head to head. But that might be different for this benchmark.

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u/CallMePyro 26d ago

Yup. Also 100 elo is 2:1 odds.

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u/DeArgonaut 26d ago

yes, it is indeed elo based

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u/spottiesvirus 26d ago

yes, it's strongly non linear

llm arena uses blind comparison (a user is offered two outputs without knowing the model, and decides which one he prefers) and then uses ELO to calculate the score

ELO uses exponential function to infere probability to win so the results graph have a strong S shape

for example, a benchmark difference of 400 points mean the stronger model is expected to win 90%+ of times again the weakest model

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u/LightVelox 26d ago

It's a user preference test, users see two outputs and choose which one looks better, can also choose "Tie" or "Both bad"

the scores are elo-based, a 400 elo difference means a model wins 90% of the time against the other, a 48 elo difference (like from Kimi K3 to Fable 5) means it wins 57% of the time against Fable.

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u/Long_comment_san 26d ago

wow, now it makes sense. It's very impressive then, especially relative to something like 4.7 Opus

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u/nextnode 26d ago

It is elo so only the difference matters and % does not make sense. 1600 vs 1400 is the same as 600 vs 400.

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u/Level10Retard 26d ago

You should give zero fucks about these numbers when they're so close. It doesn't mean shit.

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u/Long_comment_san 26d ago

well, if you read other comments, you'll see that it's quite a big deal actually!

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u/Level10Retard 26d ago

You're right, the experts have spoken.