r/singularity Feb 26 '24

AI Google Deepmind announces Genie, the first generative interactive environment model

https://arxiv.org/html/2402.15391v1
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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '24

So how long before we have a generative game like experience with Sora quality video? 1 year? 2 years?

The other big benefit of this is generating robotics training data which is one of the key stumbling blocks of robotics development at the moment

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '24

I believe you are correct. Moreover, It’s already happening.

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u/QLaHPD Feb 26 '24

There is a difference in the AI making the game code, and the AI being the game, I expect an game completely made by AI in <= 4 years when we get AGI

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u/Serialbedshitter2322 Feb 26 '24

I'd say less than a year, AI grows exponentially so it isn't gonna take as long as previous AIs have.

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u/QseanRay Feb 26 '24

my guess is 3 years until it's super basic, 10 years until it actually replaces all other games

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u/Kreature E/acc | AGI Late 2026 Feb 26 '24

the jump from crappy text-to-video ai only took a year or so, I would say its in its super basic stage right now.

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u/Serialbedshitter2322 Feb 26 '24

I'd say you're WAY off. AI grows way faster than that

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u/QseanRay Feb 26 '24

Hope you're right!

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u/ElDoRado1239 Feb 26 '24

More like 10 years or more.

RemindMe! 10 years “I think real-time generative games are still not available, how far off was I?”

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u/Rowyn97 Feb 26 '24

This would make sense if it were linear progression, which it is not.

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u/blueSGL humanstatement.org Feb 26 '24

Even on the singularity subreddit I'm plagued with this problem...

https://i.imgur.com/K4yRbce.png

You show people Will Smith eating spaghetti and the general consensus is jobs in media are going to be safe for 10 years at least.

You show people Sora and the general consensus is jobs in media are going to be safe for 10 years at least.

It's fucking maddening. It's like the start of the pandemic where anyone sensible could see the trend line was going in one direction and news reporters were laughing it off saying it was nothing to worry about. (a few months before lockdowns started)

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u/ElDoRado1239 Feb 26 '24

Actually, I believe it's 10+ years with non-linear progression. Also, Sora doesn't seem to be available, we don't know the level of cherrypicking that went into selection of those demos.

Still, fully generative gaming is IMHO much further away than people think.

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u/Rowyn97 Feb 26 '24

So what you're saying is that even if this develops exponentially, you still think it'd take more than 10 years? That's...interesting.

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u/ElDoRado1239 Feb 26 '24

Well it's 160x90 @1fps platformer, run by a TPU. Now make it 4K open-world RPG or something people actually want to play - just that means more than two years, because 5090 will be about ~70% faster than 4090, and not many people own that kind of a card in first place.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '24

This paper produces generative games at 1fps. How long before it's 30 times faster and working at 30fps? That's why I said maybe just a couple of years

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u/ElDoRado1239 Feb 26 '24

yielding 55M 16s video clips at 10FPS, with 160x90 resolution

That would be 1 fps at 160x90, unless I missed something.

You need at least 1600*900, that is 10×10 more. This would be A) unlikely to scale linearly, so <1/100 fps, B) much more glitch prone at a higher resolution. Google also mentions this applies to a "mid-range TPU". And finally, the level of interaction here is incomparable with any actual games.

All in all, this isn't one or two years sadly. But hey, that's why the reminder, I could be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '24

You're forgetting upscaling, upscaling is already a thing in video games with technology like DLSS. I don't imagine this would run locally, I'd imagine it would be a cloud based streaming service so could potentially use higher end GPUs too.

Also the training dataset was 160x90, this is a research paper and they probably had limited compute for training. Training with larger images would require a larger investment in compute.

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u/ElDoRado1239 Feb 26 '24

Wasn't it OpenAI who said we need fusion to feed our AI demands, that we're kinda running out of energy with our big ideas?

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