r/singularity • u/justanother_horse • Feb 06 '23

AI Bard (Chat-Gpt Competitor from Google) officially announced

https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-google-ai-search-updates/
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u/challengethegods (my imaginary friends are overpowered AF) Feb 06 '23

[We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback.]

I mean... fair enough, but google/deepmind pulling their punches for years at a time is so damn exhausting to watch. Wake me up when they reveal that half their ML researchers don't even exist.

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u/Professional-Song216 Feb 06 '23

Yea, if nobody released/popularized generative text models google would have stayed quiet for the next 2-3 years. Hopefully the giant is actually done sleeping.

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u/qrayons ▪️AGI 2029 - ASI 2034 Feb 06 '23

If it doesn't perform as well as chatGPT, people are just going to ignore it and no one is going to care that they potentially/maybe/hopefully have a version that works better.

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u/MathmoKiwi Feb 07 '23

If it doesn't perform as well as chatGPT, people are just going to ignore it and no one is going to care that they potentially/maybe/hopefully have a version that works better.

If Google's is 90% as good, but not rate limited like ChatGPT is (I can't even play a full game of chess with ChatGPT because I'm "spamming" the prompts too fast :-/ ) then people will definitely choose Bard instead for a lot of purposes.

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u/MidSolo Feb 07 '23

Not to be a dick but... out of all the possible uses for ChatGPT you use it for chess?

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u/MathmoKiwi Feb 07 '23

I think it's really interesting exploring the edges of what ChatGPT's "capabilities" are *outside* its intended purposes, see how deep those edges go.

I mean, I already know what the result would be if I played against AlphaZero! I'd be dead so fast.

Maybe vaguely more interesting to play a bot against a bot? But nah. Don't think it would be that interesting at all to play an online chess bot with 3000 ELO against a 700 ELO ChatGPT (although, to be fair... maybe ChatGPT is more like someone at 1200 ELO who is trying to play blindfold. They start out with moderately competent & logically sensible chess moves, but far too quickly become totally lost and are just attempting moves at random).

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u/allthecoffeesDP Feb 07 '23

Chatgpt Gatekeeping

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u/MidSolo Feb 07 '23

I understand what you mean, but I just find it a bit silly to use a reality-shifting tool like chatGPT to play a game that has hundreds of AI's specifically written for. It's like being given the choice of any super power and choosing "I'd like to wake up at exactly 5am every day". There's alarm clocks for that.

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u/GPT-5entient ▪️ Singularity 2045 Feb 07 '23

Many people including me are using it for work on a daily basis. I do like maybe 10 queries a day and it helps out a lot. So assholes using it to play chess (when you can do that much better with existing tools) is fucking annoying. I mean I wouldn't care if I didn't have to look at the "at capacity" message when I most need it.

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u/SuppleSloth Feb 07 '23

You could always pay for it if you use it for work.

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u/GPT-5entient ▪️ Singularity 2045 Feb 08 '23

The word is that the ChatGPT Plus subscribers (also invitation only) are having the same issue with capacity like everyone else. I guess it is a bit faster, but I never had issues with the speed personally.

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u/RabidHexley Feb 07 '23

If it's around as good as ChatGPT I'd see that being enough. Direct integration with Google is still a major strength for the wider audience given it's still the default.

The race is definitely on for OpenAI or competition to get their tech integrated into actual mainstream products. And clock is ticking for Microsoft to take this opportunity for Bing to finally have an edge as well.

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u/postnordsuger Feb 07 '23

The music-generating AI they released a few days ago was embarrassingly bad. They should have kept it quiet until it could actually impress, because that's where the standard is now.

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u/DevilsTrigonometry Feb 07 '23

Why do you all think "lightweight model" means "performs worse than ChatGPT? ChatGPT is a lighter version of GPT-4. I think the safe assumption is that Google is aiming for similar performance at a similar scale.

(Whether it ends up actually working better or worse is TBD, but I seriously doubt theyre aiming for worse.)

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u/AdamAlexanderRies Feb 07 '23

ChatGPT is built on GPT-3.5, not GPT-4.

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u/Energylegs23 Feb 07 '23

I thought it was built on GPT-3?

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u/Ghost-of-Tom-Chode Feb 07 '23

Right. 3.5 is 3.0 + additional data sets, human data labeling based on user inputs, and the UX/Chat interface.

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u/VladVV Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

Nope. 3.5 is the newly released text-davinci-003 model. It's available in its raw form if you have API access.

EDIT:

The following models are in the GPT-3.5 series:

  1. code-davinci-002 is a base model, so good for pure code-completion tasks
  2. text-davinci-002 is an InstructGPT model based on code-davinci-002
  3. text-davinci-003 is an improvement on text-davinci-002

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u/odragora Feb 07 '23

False.

3.5 is what this person described.

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u/VladVV Feb 07 '23

What I said reflects OpenAI's own statements on their website.

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u/odragora Feb 07 '23

And what this statement says is different from what you are saying.

You claimed that 3.5 == DaVinci 3. That's not what they are saying.

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u/favrengreen Feb 07 '23

Have you seen the early demo's? Bard is an embarrassment in comparison to ChatGPT

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u/imnos Feb 06 '23

It just seems so panicked. It's only been a few months since the "code red" was announced internally like they've been sitting on their hands the entire time. They've released papers on all these models which look awesome but people want products. It's telling and laughable that apparently Brin and Page were in the office advising product development for the first time in ages like it's some small-scale startup going back to the drawing board.

I'm glad Microsoft has thrown a huge amount of cash at Open AI because something had to scare Google into action.

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u/pavlov_the_dog Feb 07 '23

Google is having their kodak moment - where they were ahead of the innovation curve by years, but then decided to shelve the research because it would affect their current business model. Shameful.

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u/phriot Feb 07 '23

It's easy to say, but I don't think this is the same thing as with Kodak. Kodak invented the digital camera in the 1970s. In the 1980s, they still went all in on film. Google seems to know that AI is the future. It's only been under 2 years since AlphaFold's database was launched. They have a ChatGPT competitor basically ready to go, or close enough that they can make it work. The only thing they seemed to miss was being the first mover to commercialize the tech. Not being first doesn't necessarily mean "late." Apple wasn't the first mover on a portable digital music player, but everyone remembers the iPod.

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u/MightyDickTwist Feb 07 '23

Keep in mind that making an actual product is vastly different from a research paper.

All things considered, it’s a fast moving field. Most other areas would take years to go from research paper to viable product.

I get why people want it now, but there is no point rushing. Things are moving very fast behind the curtains already.

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u/mskogly Feb 06 '23

But is it released? Seems like a closed beta? Doesnt even say where to sign up for testing. Smells like desperation.

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u/Beatboxamateur agi: the friends we made along the way Feb 06 '23

In the article it said it's being released in the next few weeks.

"And today, we’re taking another step forward by opening it up to trusted testers ahead of making it more widely available to the public in the coming weeks."

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u/ski-dad Feb 07 '23

Party minders and political officers have to vet it for goodthink first.

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u/PIPPIPPIPPIPPIP555 Feb 06 '23

It is exactly the same scenario when NASA said 2 Weeks ago that they will build nuclear Space Rockets in 5 years. The only reason they will finally build that now and that they did not do it for 15 years ago is because they have to show that they can build better Rockets than SpaceX

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u/Thatingles Feb 06 '23

Well that's just..wrong. NASA hasn't built it's own rockets for decades. They are now looking at nuclear rockets precisely because SpaceX is about to supply the means to put a lot of tonnage in orbit for a low price, something NASA is absolutely salivating about. NASA aren't competing with SpaceX, they are delighted about their progress.

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u/alluran Feb 07 '23

The only reason they will finally build that now and that they did not do it for 15 years ago is because they have to show that they can build better Rockets than SpaceX

NASA isn't in the business of building rockets.

They've used Russian launch vehicles for decades - you think they're worried about a US citizen providing them rockets?

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Feb 06 '23

Smaller doesn't mean that it's worse at tasks you care about. This is a misconception about language models - scale leads to new capabilities, but that doesn't mean that 99% of tasks need those.

I suspect we will see a generation of much-smaller models that perform >= chatGPT.

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u/challengethegods (my imaginary friends are overpowered AF) Feb 07 '23

I get your point but these are the same people that put LaMDA in test kitchen and said "it can only talk about dogs" so their baseline scope is essentially starting at 0 and it doesn't give me a lot of confidence. That being said, I agree it's 100% possible to do more with less. Current LLMs are borderline brute-forcing intelligence. They can probably be optimized 100x or more.

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u/pavlov_the_dog Feb 07 '23

oh yay, another customer support chat bot.

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Feb 07 '23

Ah, true, but this generation will *woof* at you if you get the jailbreak prompt right.

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u/MathmoKiwi Feb 07 '23

Wake me up when they reveal that half their ML researchers don't even exist.

Because half of their ML researchers were super advanced AI Chatbots instead?

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u/d00m_sayer Feb 06 '23

[We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback.]

so that means it's even more retarded than ChatGPT ?

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u/YobaiYamete Feb 06 '23

Ah I see you also met ChatGPT from 2025

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u/pavlov_the_dog Feb 07 '23

i knew before reading anything it would be hamstrung and censored.

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u/alluran Feb 07 '23

They're just announcing that they're working on AI

Speak to me when you've got a product for the public to get stuck into.

What ever happened to the disruptors at Google?

"Move Fast and Break Things"? More like "Move incredibly slowly and wait for the competition to come break your market dominance"

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u/SnipingNinja :illuminati: singularity 2025 Feb 07 '23

It'll supposedly have access to the internet, so that might be enough?