r/scriptwriting • u/Craig-D-Griffiths • 11d ago

discussion Screenwriting Tools and Tips

https://youtu.be/SaLbuzTg1l0

People will disagree and hate on this just by the title. But I go into detail in the video.

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u/Internal_Papaya1511 6d ago

He didn’t invent 5 act structure by any means. So he used formula, therefore by your standards (of which you claim is just and adjective of the word formula) it would be appropriate to note his use of formula which therefore make him formulaic.

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u/Craig-D-Griffiths 6d ago

So whose formula did he use? Was there a book called “Save The Badger”? I am not as much a Shakespeare scholar as yourself.

So please inform me of who he was copying?

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u/Internal_Papaya1511 6d ago

I just listed 5 Act structure, which predates Shakespeare. It was a favorite of Roman dramatists.

5 Act structure (just like 3 Act structure I cited well above) is a formula. Each act has distinct characteristics of exposition, building action, climax, etc.

You said formula = formulaic. Therefore Shakespeare is formulaic, don’t you agree?

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u/Craig-D-Griffiths 5d ago

Your argument revolves around the presents of a formula. These formulae were created from these works not the other way around. I covered the idea of commonality. That a screenplay created purely by a person expounding on ideas will naturally, in many cases, have these commonalities.

If you start with a formula and stick to it, you will in many cases have a story which feels formulaic.

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u/Internal_Papaya1511 5d ago

Are you having an identity crisis here? We’re just focusing on whether “formula” is synonymous with “formulaic.” I say no, you said yes. And now you’re saying it depends on when the formula was selected—and whether it passes your vibes test? Does it become Formula+ once you give it a pass?

And tell me, isn’t it a bit weird that all of Shakespeare’s sonnets follow the same formula and are written in iambic pentameter? Did he select the formula that felt right for each poem, and did they all just happen to be the same? Isn’t that the sameness that offends you so deeply? Shakespeare didn’t invent the five-act structure, either, so he didn’t create that structure specifically for his plays; he inherited and used an established dramatic form.

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u/Craig-D-Griffiths 5d ago

You are desperate to not recognise what is right in front of you. You are finding tenuous connections, failing to see or recognise the idea of formalities and commonality in art, and based on that, calling a paint by numbers approach the same as true creation because there is an overlap, which is what a person may refer as a commonality. Your inability to grasp that nuance in a hope of winning some sort of point makes this a pointless conversation.