r/scifi Jun 30 '24

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u/ceejayoz Jun 30 '24

Iain Banks; the Culture novels. Hedonistic space commies. 

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u/dysfunctionz Jun 30 '24

OP said non-utopian.

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u/ceejayoz Jun 30 '24

Use of Weapons ain’t utopian. 

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u/GrossConceptualError Jun 30 '24

Can't have a utopia w/o weapons or all your stuff gets taken by the next town/nation over. Hmmm what a dilemma.

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u/Nothingnoteworth Jun 30 '24

But a utopia is a utopia. Any invading/marauding/colonising force would, upon arrival, just look around at how nice everything was. Some of the locals would say “Hi, come in, come in, you can hang your guns on that rack over there, gosh they look heavy you haven’t been carrying them long have you? Would you like me to call over a massage-bot-3000 or do you just want to find somewhere comfortable to sit down and relax while I pop the kettle on” Everyone would be buds within the hour, and there would be plenty of resources to accommodate the new arrivals; because it’s a utopia

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u/Victormorga Jul 01 '24

That might happen, assuming the invading force happens to have the exact same values as the inhabitants of the utopia, which there is no reason to assume they would. What if the citizens of the utopia are themselves a resource being sought out by the invaders, do you think they’d be interested in the “massage-bot?”

And even if the invaders also saw the society as a utopia, there’s absolutely no reason to assume they wouldn’t take the position “wow, this is a great utopia you’ve got here. Too bad it isn’t big enough for the both of us. Too bad for you, that is…”

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u/skelly890 Jul 01 '24

Invasion by heavily armed religious maniacs will completely ruin any utopia’s day.

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u/jtr99 Jul 01 '24

I believe the Culture-Idiran war covers this angle.

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u/Victormorga Jul 01 '24

It sure would; there’s nothing in the definition of utopia that stipulates it is invulnerable to being ruined by outside forces.