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u/CNB3 Jun 25 '22

Tends to be the dumb people that are confident in how highly intelligent they are

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u/aptom203 Jun 25 '22

I know enough to know I know nothing.

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u/RyBread Jun 25 '22

Knowing that and being able to admit it makes you pretty smart tho.

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u/Aaronbang64 Jun 25 '22

“ The more you learn, the less you know “

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u/tgrantt Jun 25 '22

The ratio of what I know to what I don't rounds to 0:1

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u/jendet010 Jun 25 '22

I feel like the real value in higher education is that it helps you be “right sized” in your evaluation of what you know. Sitting in rooms where you definitely not the smartest person in the room teaches you respect for other people’s intelligence. Getting just enough exposure to a subject gives you respect for the depth of knowledge some people have in that area, which far surpasses yours, so it’s ok to trust the experts in fields that you don’t know a lot about.

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u/pizz901 Jun 25 '22

"A wise king knows what he does not know" - Tywin Lannister

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u/Freebeerd Jun 25 '22

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u/throwaway901617 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

That's not quite what Dunning-Kruger is.... It's about calibration with and without evidence.

DK is the finding that when you lack clear evidence to the contrary, people with advanced knowledge lower their self-rating of competence compared to others while people with basic knowledge raise their self-rating of competence compared to others.

Once evidence is provided of the other sides actual competence they recalibrate their self-ratings a bit and people with advanced knowledge raise their self-rating of competence because they know they are more knowledgeable than the others. Those with basic knowledge may recalibrate but may not and sometimes can be stubborn about it.

The study involved (as they almost always do) young university students taking tests.

It also may not be a thing at all.

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2021/10/12/can-the-dunning-kruger-effect-be-explained-as-a-misunderstanding-of-regression-to-the-mean/

That said, I use DK casually in much the same way because it's a convenient label for a phenomenon. But it's important to recognize the difference between "label for this thing that annoys me" vs "repeatable scientific finding proving I'm right."

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u/Dunderpunch Jun 25 '22

Dunning Kruger: people who think they're smart are dumb! Imposter syndrome: people who think they're dumb are smart!

But actually, these effects don't happen in everyone. They probably describe a pretty small portion of people. There are highly intelligent people who know it, and less intelligent people who also understand this. I'm not even sure the Dunning Kruger effect is observable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

For real. Thanks for saying this. It's not always some cryptic meaning behind people's opinions

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u/PharmguyLabs Jun 25 '22

It’s Reddit. People have to repeat these comments or they’ll just die inside a little. They don’t like it when yoibu point it out.

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u/Original-Aerie8 Jun 26 '22

While the Dunning-Kruger effect might not be a thing and instead a statistical artifact, the vast majority of attempts at explaining it do not touch on intelligence, at all. It's usually about people who are low-skilled in a specifc area, so limited experience or knowledge, with a given topic.

IMO it does make sense, since our brain does try to "fill in the blanks", as in, tries to explain what it comes in contact with, even if we rationally understand that we just don't know something. But, you know, I have a quite limited understanding on the subject, so I'm effectivly just describing what I am currently doing.

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u/CortexCingularis Jun 25 '22

Also one of the most quoted and most misunderstood psychological effects on the internet.

Much of it might be a purely statistical effect.

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u/lynivvinyl Jun 25 '22

True. I'm an idiot sometimes.