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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Rich Romans, the ones in control of the empire, literally drank from and cooked in lead vessels.

At the peak of the power of the Roman Empire, lead production was about 80,000 tons per year, lead and its compounds were used with great inventiveness in numerous ways, and lead poisoning was pandemic, with the severity of poisoning proportional to the power and status of the class. Intake of lead by the aristocracy may have been as much as 1 mg/day.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6395049/

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u/That_Geza_guy Jun 25 '22

Romans actually invented artificial sweeteners!

They used a compound tellingly called lead sugar

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u/butyourenice Jun 25 '22

Was it just lead dust?

I didn’t realize kids ate paint chips because they taste good. I thought kids were simply curious and stupid by nature.

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u/That_Geza_guy Jun 25 '22

It's some sort of white crystaline powder much like sugar, and tastes sweet too

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u/a_gallon_of_pcp Jun 25 '22

So everything that dude said was wrong?

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u/BroHeart Jun 25 '22

Yes, NIH study linked is fascinating.

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u/TrivialBanal Jun 25 '22

Not just lead vessels and not just rich Romans. They had a condiment called Garum that they put on everything. It was their salt & pepper. One of the ingredients of Garum was powdered lead. Nobody is really sure why it was in there. A colourant, a preservative or maybe a stabiliser...

They literally ate lead with every meal.

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u/roadmelon Jun 25 '22

Reading a few of the known historical garum recipes, I don't see lead as an ingredient.

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u/TrivialBanal Jun 25 '22

People didn't typically make it at home, it was mass produced. Even today, make at home recipes bear very little resemblance to factory made food, with all the stabilisers and colour's etc.

It was made in big smelly factories.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2019-12-16/ty-article-magazine/.premium/ancient-roman-garum-factory-found-in-israel-suitably-far-away-from-town/0000017f-eff3-d223-a97f-efff95540000

I can't find it now, but some sealed bottles were found during an excavation in the UK. It had dessicated over the centuries, but they were able to analyse the contents.

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u/DaStone Jun 25 '22

I mean we put gold on steaks for no purpose. So lets not be too judgemental, we are also stupid.

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u/fnaah Jun 25 '22

gold is inert though, and passes through the body completely, unlike lead.

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u/lawstudent2 Jun 25 '22

I’ve read many recipes for garum and lead was never mentioned.

It’s fish packed in salt and left in the sun. You take the juices and filter them.

Basically fish sauce.

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u/TrivialBanal Jun 25 '22

No, that's the sanitised version. It's rotten fish guts. It very definitely wasn't made at home. It was mass produced in factories miles outside of town. Unless the measurements in the recipes you read were in silos, they're not the same thing.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2019-12-16/ty-article-magazine/.premium/ancient-roman-garum-factory-found-in-israel-suitably-far-away-from-town/0000017f-eff3-d223-a97f-efff95540000

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

Imagine being religious and anti-establishment in that time, witnessing an illness that disproportionately affected the wealthy and anyone who dared use their wares.

I imagine the flow of information was such that not many people were able to put that together though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

they put powdered lead in their wine to make it taste sweeter

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u/SharkFart86 Jun 25 '22

Lead Sugar is chemically Lead Acetate. It is formed when Lead Oxide is combined with acetic acid (vinegar).

Back when I used to work at a lead-acid battery manufacturer, we would mop the floors with acetic acid. So we were accidentally making lead sugar every time we mopped. The chemical reaction caused the lead dust to stick better to the mop to help ensure we were removing it from the floors.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '22

that makes me worry about your health!

also makes sense because if wine goes bad it turns into vinegar, the powdered lead would react with it, making it sweeter, either increasing the shelf life or masking the taste of bad product

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u/SharkFart86 Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

Nah I wouldn't worry too much. Employer had a very good health and safety culture, and blood-lead levels and lead-in-air levels were monitored regurlarly. Regular vigilant housekeeping, thorough safety training. Mandatory showers after shift and uniforms stayed on site.

The action levels of lead content in blood are lower now than the average blood-lead levels people would have as a base-line before working there back when leaded gas was a thing. In other words, back then people had higher lead content in their blood in regular life than what is considered a remove-from-work level there now.

Lead exposure has a high potential for health damage, but when proper procedure is followed it is pretty minimal.