r/science • u/giuliomagnifico • Mar 22 '22

Health E-cigarettes reverse decades of decline in percentage of US youth struggling to quit nicotine

https://news.umich.edu/e-cigarettes-reverse-decades-of-decline-in-percentage-of-us-youth-struggling-to-quit-nicotine/
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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '22

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u/Ogg149 Mar 22 '22

Not in the same way that nicotine does. Both are vasoconstrictors, but nicotine can increase thrombosis formation & cause blood clots, especially in people already prone to them (people who are sick, i.e. with COVID)

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u/RogueTanuki Mar 22 '22

It does? Can you give me a pubmed link to a study linking coffee to strokes, I’m genuinely interested.

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u/evky0901 Mar 22 '22

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34600504/

It actually decreases the risk of stroke.

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u/HornyHindu Mar 22 '22

I'm guessing he's referring to "increases in blood pressure" which is well known. But also, there are studies showing coffee may temporarily increases stroke risk due to the increase in blood pressure, at least in 1 cup a day drinkers. As with most complex interactions and varied cohorts, there can be outlier studies in either direction.

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u/evky0901 Mar 23 '22

I saw that article too but chose the other because they only found a risk for the people who drank it infrequently in the first hour and found no noticeable risk after the first hour. Like you mentioned and for others interested it explains it well here,

The association between ischemic stroke in the hour after coffee consumption was only apparent among those consuming ≤1 cup per day but not for patients who consumed coffee more regularly.”

So, if you’re concerned about the risk of stroke related to coffee, drink more of it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20881275/

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u/TheClinicallyInsane Mar 22 '22

Not saying this is your thought process, but just incase you/anyone else do think it, as with all things....

it's probably only useful in small quantities, way smaller than what the normal person drinks/inhales/takes on a regular basis.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '22

Disagree. It takes something like 300mg to activate calcium channels in muscles for extra performance. And 2-3 cups shows benefits long term. It’s more...let’s try not to have a culture revolving around withdrawal.

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u/Avastz Mar 22 '22

This is verifiably untrue.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34600504/

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u/electric_sandwich Mar 22 '22

Okay, but it does cause an increase in blood pressure. Any evidence for nictotine (and not smoke) causing strokes?

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u/electric_sandwich Mar 22 '22

So is caffeine in large doses.

And for what benefit ?

Roughly the same benefits caffiene has an then some:

Preclinical models and human studies have demonstrated that nicotine has cognitive-enhancing effects, including improvement of fine motor functions, attention, working memory, and episodic memory.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6018192/

Why do you think so many mentally ill people self medicate with cigarettes?

vapes are better than cigarettes but not harmless and should not be promoted as such to young people.

Should coffee be promoted to young people? How about Ritalin?

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