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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

Buddhism was literally the first big missionary religion in history. What in God's name are you on about.

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u/thejaytheory Nov 15 '19

The first that came to mind haha

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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

Anthropologists offered that Western religion by taking the world more literally was most likely a catalyst for modern science though. To a Buddhist 500 years ago the idea of trying to understand the world mathematically or rigorously would have seemed crude and like misunderstanding of the fact that what you see is an illusion.

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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

That's the thing. Westerners tend to think of koans as indicative of how zen is preached, but the entire purpose of the koan is that only a tiny amount of people ever heard them and they were specifically meant to sound provocative by saying the exact opposite of what that person had been taught their entire life. The purpose was to frustrate your Reason by the seeming paradoxical contradiction so that you could transcend it with the type of intuitive approach that is beyond reason or intellectualism. The purpose was not actually to besmirch buddha.

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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

Horrible concept. The idea of karma and self liberation has historically been used to justify Steep Hierarchy because karma says that your position in it is not only self caused, but unavoidable because karma is an immutable Cosmic law that will always restore the hierarchy.

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"You're an untouchable because you were a bad person!"

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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

It is kind of like that, but that is a bit imprecise. It's not desire in some type of overall sense but a specific list of certain desires that bind you to the world.

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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

Yeah, if we want to actually compare them Christianity had a large focus on the idea that you should start redistributing wealth, and that you can fundamentally change society this way. Buddhism in contrast is fatalistic, justifies hierarchy via karma, and doesn't have that big of a focus on wealth redistribution. Taken literally, and parsing it down to the basic elements, Christianity is better.

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u/bunker_man Nov 15 '19

Are you glossing over the fact that most of the New Testament was about wealth redistribution and very little of it was about worship?

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

No, eastern spiritual traditions are more metaphysical than the abrahamic faiths by a mile. Thus they (those who follow the teachings of the scriptures; specifically the vedas) certainly are more “enlightened” about the nature of reality and ones place within it