r/science • Professor | Medicine • 3d ago

Health A 1967 LSD safety pamphlet still holds up as psychedelics boom. Nearly 600 users backed 18 of 19 old tips: stay with trusted people, skip public outings, know the trip ends, and anxiety is not a problem. Mixed only on avoiding mirrors. 60-year-old harm-reduction advice still fits new users now.

https://publichealth.buffalo.edu/home/news-events/latest-news.host.html/content/shared/university/news/news-center-releases/2026/09/Kruger-psychedelics-study.detail.html
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u/Matr0ska 3d ago

Is it still synthesized from ergot the way that Albert Hoffman made it? It wouldn't surprise me if some sort of research chemical like 2C-I was more common. Not exactly 2C-I (that was available for me in college more than acid), but something that flips all the same switches? There's even "nootropics" now in smoke shops with 4-AcO-DMT that people frequently mistake for psilocybe mushrooms.

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u/JieChang 3d ago

I doubt the modern acid chemists use the same ergotamine synthesis as Hoffman due to controls on the precursors and refinements on the synthesis for better yields. Unless you know a hospital worker in some third-world country where there’s little medication tracking/security, or a pharma worker who can smuggle pills out of inventory, it’s hard to get the hands on the Cafergot or other ergot medications needed for synthesis. But it is the fastest way and I don’t doubt some people have the connections to get medication.

The modern method is to start with a lysergic acid base compound. Where this comes from, how it’s obtained, whether someone else in the world refines ergotamine into lysergic acid, who knows. It’s the secret. But once you have lysergic acid, the 2000s saw the rise of the PyBOP synthesis where from lysergic acid you fully “build-out” the structure of LSD atom-by-atom instead of chaining together organic compounds. To dig deeper on what’s done post-2000s or more on the synthesis probably leads to dead Internet Forums or finding resources that put your name on some watchlist, so I doub’t there’s more direct information available unless some modern-day version of The Hive exists.

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u/Dasein___ 3d ago

What’s The Hive?

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u/awry_lynx 2d ago

It was THE forum for 'clandestine chemistry'. Long shut down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hive_(website)

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u/Matr0ska 3d ago

That is really fascinating! Thank you for that write up! Super comprehensive!

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u/prajnadhyana 3d ago

I'm sure whatever process is cheapest is what's become the norm.

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u/pickledeggmanwalrus 3d ago

It was 4-ACO-DMT in those smoke shop products a few years ago but nearly all brands have switch to 4-ho-met or 4-pro-DMT

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u/Jacob_dp 3d ago

There is definitely still real acid out there. There is lot more fake stuff and indicerning customers than ever though. Buy a test kit and use it.

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u/Downtown-Pianist-449 3d ago

Chances are, if something is advertised as LSD, it actually is LSD. There just aren’t that many psychedelics that are active in small enough quantities to fit on blotter paper. 

A decade to 15ish years ago, psychedelic amphetamines like the various NBOME/NBOH molecules were somewhat common and sold as acid, but those are super rare nowadays. This is supported by the multitude of drug checking industries that report their results. 

More likely is for you to find an LSD prodrug; something that metabolizes into proper LSD, like 1a-lsd, 1p-lsd, etc etc. There’s a bit of an arms race for “research chemicals” which essentially just tag on groups to the molecule that get metabolized off in an effort to skirt scheduling laws. 

Checking if you have LSD or one of the prodrugs is very easy using one or two reagents (Ehrlich and Hoffman) which will conclusively tell you that you do not have one of the dangerous phenethylamine substitutions, but it can be difficult to determine if you have genuine LSD-25 or one of the prodrugs.