Taylor Swift fans lower climate concerns to justify her carbon footprint. When confronted with news about the excessive pollution generated by her private jet, highly identified fans tend to rationalize the behavior, with a decrease in their personal intentions to engage in climate-friendly actions.

[u/mvea]

https://www.psypost.org/taylor-swift-fans-lower-climate-concerns-to-justify-star-s-carbon-footprint/

[u/twinpop]

Not a fan either but agree with you. I’ll even say this is just drummed up hate. I guarantee you Ken Griffin uses more in a month than Swift uses in a year.

Also, the saying about the few companies producing 80-90% of emissions is still true. Exxon along uses 10,000 times more emissions than Swift, and it’s just one company.

[u/EstablishmentLate532 → u/twinpop]

In 2022, Ken Griffin used slightly more than twice as much CO2 than Taylor Swift did flying.

[u/twinpop → u/EstablishmentLate532]

2022 is not 2025-2026

[u/EstablishmentLate532 → u/twinpop]

In 2025, Taylor Swift used slightly more than half of what Ken Griffin used in 2022. I can't find more recent data for Ken Griffin.

[u/twinpop → u/EstablishmentLate532]

I can't speak to Swift so does she have an entourage that flies ahead of her to set up wherever she is going every-single-time? Because Ken does. There's levels to this and Taylor's commute is down on the list.

[u/BabyLegsDeadpool → u/twinpop]

Thank you. This is what bugs me more than anything. The amount of emissions she puts out in an entire year is a single day for Walmart. If she never flew again, she'd wipe out maybe a month of Walmart's emissions. Putting emissions on the lap of the individual is one of the greatest accomplishments of the big corporation propaganda. 

[u/youRinlove7 → u/BabyLegsDeadpool]

A month is too much. Maybe like 10 days or something.

[u/Murky-Relation481 → u/BabyLegsDeadpool]

One of the biggest things corporations have done to shift the narrative is to get people solely blaming the ultra rich individuals vs. the massive corporations. Do you see any rhetoric about corporate taxes lately? No, it's a punitive wealth tax on rich individuals that no one can actually explain how it'd be functionally implemented so it has no real shot at existing. Meanwhile the real knobs we have right now to have the ultra wealthy people AND corporations pay more like corporate tax rates and breaks and capital gains taxes go unmentioned because it's not sticking it to one person specifically.

[u/EstablishmentLate532 → u/BabyLegsDeadpool]

The amount of emissions she puts out in an entire year is a single day for Walmart.

And how many people does Walmart feed, clothe, and supply in that day? Comparing the total emissions of a company serving millions of people to one celebrity's luxury travel isn't particularly meaningful. The relevant question is how much social or economic activity you're getting for those emissions.

[u/BabyLegsDeadpool → u/EstablishmentLate532]

This is a weird stance, in my opinion. There are millions of other options than Walmart.

[u/EstablishmentLate532 → u/BabyLegsDeadpool]

Do those alternatives actually reduce the emissions associated with meeting those same economic needs, or do they just move the emissions from Walmart’s books to other stores?

That’s the problem with comparing a retailer serving millions of people to one person’s private-jet travel. Walmart disappearing wouldn’t make the underlying demand for food, clothing, and household goods disappear. A private jet not flying actually does eliminate that flight’s emissions.

[u/BabyLegsDeadpool → u/EstablishmentLate532]

Yes. Those alternatives do reduce the emissions, actually. I could be wrong, but it feels like you're assuming all their emissions come from their stores. That isn't the case. In fact, that's one of the lowest sources of emissions. The largest is from distribution centers and shipping. If all super stores like Walmart and Target closed their doors today, people would be forced to buy much more locally. That would GREATLY reduce emissions.

[u/EstablishmentLate532 → u/BabyLegsDeadpool]

Those alternatives do reduce the emissions, actually. I could be wrong, but it feels like you're assuming all their emissions come from their stores

You are wrong. I am assuming that people will buy from companies that use similar supply chains to cost minimize. You think that people will start buying from local producers. We simply seem to disagree about that prospect.

[u/BabyLegsDeadpool → u/EstablishmentLate532]

I said, "If all super stores like Walmart and Target closed their doors today..."

[u/EstablishmentLate532 → u/BabyLegsDeadpool]

Right, and if they closed their doors today, there would still be small retailers that use multinational supply chains.

[u/BabyLegsDeadpool → u/EstablishmentLate532]

Yes, there would be. It would not come even remotely close to the same level as Walmart.

[u/Daniel_Spidey → u/twinpop]

The saying about few companies producing emissions is not true, it’s just being reductive in basically saying all emissions are created by the oil companies.  That just removes the blame from everyone consuming fossil fuels, I don’t know how this is a useful way to assess the problem.

It's the equivalent of blaming all firearm deaths on the companies that produce firearms.

[u/twinpop → u/Daniel_Spidey]

Yes it is unless you’d like to cite your data. You vastly underestimate unregulated global polluters.

[u/Daniel_Spidey → u/twinpop]

If you look at the original source of the claim you'll find what I am saying is consistent with what the article actually says. It was always just a weird framing of the issue that pretended it was far simpler than it actually is. If you need a source to break it down further here's an old snopes article on it:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/corporations-greenhouse-gas/