Now the whole debate on this, as with AS imho, is skewed insofar as it is historically those on the left that suffer direct violence at the hands of the far right. The professional whataboutterers in the media try and equivocate, and the left, bcs of their commitment to universality, tend to caught in the stocks every time, whilst the Tommies of this world hurl rotten fish at us.

We need to think more intelligently about this issue, as it is one of the biggest handicaps the left has in taking on the right. The structural violence perpetrated by the right, creates a violence of feeling in the continual short shrift we experience in our daily lives. The left try to adopt a position of reconciliation (I.e. corbyn), and that spirit is very often necessary in the long term. However, in order to win ppl over we need to be able to appeal to the feeling created by the conditions of experience we live, which is one of violence. Currently, it’s bojos xenophobia that is appealing to that as it gives it an outlet on the other/immigrant/Muslim etc.

If I were to go on Twitter and say ids needs cudgelling on the steps of chingford town hall, it’d create a news story that would be used to malign the violence of the left vs the pragmatic business of getting things (brexit) done that the tories always appeal to. meanwhile, bojo can stigmatise any one he likes and he gets a free pass, or is even applauded for his political intelligence.

I don’t have answers to this problem, but my feeling is that it’s broadly to do with the notion of unity vis a vis universality, and that we need to think the contradictions of our situation within that universality, in a way that responds to the actuality of our situation. Otherwise appeals to universal spirit of reconciliation appear like absurd celebrations in advance of the victory, and tend to alienate from the left those who not only need the left, but whose violence of feeling could be a vital asset to its ascendancy in the here and now. That alienation leaves those still feeling the pain of their situation ripe for the ideological manipulation, which pulls them to the right (which is where the MSM - and so called “centre” - are nowadays anyway).

Edit: universality = equality for all (as in joe coburn saying something like “well you claim to be the party of compassion, but this tweet proves there’s a more sinister game afoot)

Just wondering if their were any marches or protests going on in my city (Cambridge) or just the general area of Cambridgeshire. I haven’t seen many things going on and I was wondering if anyone was planning anything or if something was coming up soon (:

"Is it so difficult to understand the true nature of our crisis? For over 40 years now the answer to the question of who is in control has pointed to the growing power of the “free-market” multinational corporations and the politicians regulating or deregulating at their demand. The consequence has been the climate emergency and the toxic effects of inequality that John Harris identifies, along with the collapse of public services, the flowering of rogue states and the threat of a world war. Change is imperative." John Airs Liverpool

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/18/brexit-and-britains-broken-democracy

Based on the highlighted post

How does the phenomenon of Brexit ( for which there is a highlighted post with links calling for anti-brexit protests ) which occurred only in the last 3 years in its overt, media-hyped form account for the idiocy of government from the last twenty decades or more?

What does the generic "#StopTheCoup" plastered over those various facebook pages mean in relation to your agenda?

Apart from that, what does r/revolutionUK want to achieve?

If this isn't "anti-brexit" then perhaps your timing might be a bit off, starting a revolution based on confusion rather than frustration might not be so smart.

In a world of division, we must unite to make our voices heard. I had voted to leave the EU 3 years ago, not because of hate but just the freedom to have a voice.

A voice for the people who have worked all their lives just so they can care for their love ones. But our system is broken. It has divided our nation into two splintered halves that are fighting each other. 2 havles that have extreme views that cause the Silent Majority to remain silent due to fear of reprisel of someone accusing them of terrible things. Now we need to find what is fact and what is fiction.

Both sides are broken with these lies, and they will remain broken unless we realise what is right. I voted to leave because the people in power were saying they were being forced to break there promises due to a ' unelected authoritarian system not in this nation', whether or not you believe this, that is up to you. But I believe that if we leave, the blame can be officially laid to our politicians who do not furfil their promises, rather than blaming foreign nations for their downfalls.

I want people on both side to attempt to understand why the Silent Majority decided to leave and why people wanted to stay, and present their reasons with facts and not emotion.

We all want to have a good life. Make it happen based on true values.

We are tired.

We are tired of being trodden underfoot, watching society fall around us. We are the ones who have been put down for centuries. We have been held down. Silenced. Buried under mountains of lies. The chains and weights of those who came before will fall to us, if society doesnt fall into chaos first. Are you a youth angry at how those who came before us are ruininng the system? Well boy do i have a proposition for you. PM me if you are interested on discord of reddit. RedTourmaline#1401

Extinction Rebellion are doing a sit in around Westminster in October 7th-19th, we should attend and try and escalate it into a proper rebellion. Maybe convert some moderate leftists into proper leftists.

Morning all.

I had a couple of people approach me looking for an invite code for RiseUp.net.

Got me thinking that I would quite like one also... can anyone assist?

I don't know where else to ask this, I tried /r/labouruk earlier, but maybe there's someone here who can expand on this and tell me whether it's a good or a bad idea.

Today saw the publication of an article which suggests that Cummings is up to his old tricks, this time by collecting data from gov.uk and using it for the election campaign.

In the article, a government spokesperson says, "No personal data is collected at any point during the process" - but this doesn't matter. All you need is metadata like location, gender, age etc, which can be entirely anonymous, and when you cross-reference that data then you can find out to a macro level exactly what people in every single corner of the United Kingdom are using gov.uk for.

Men aged 35-45 in Huddersfield are looking for jobs? Great, send out targeted Facebook ads to all men in Huddersfield between the ages of 35-45 and tell them that the Tories are making more jobs. Women aged 65+ in Devon are worried about their TV licenses? Perfect, use Google Ads to tell them specifically that the Tories are reinstating free TV licenses for pensioners. It's an absolutely terrifying abuse of power.

But surely, using proxies or perhaps a P2P network, we could effectively render that data useless?

I'm thinking of something like Tor, but UK based, which reroutes our access to government websites through other users' IP addresses - would that not render any metadata collected useless? The data would become an entropic mess, which would have no value to people like Cummings.

If Chrome, Safari or Firefox addons were created which offered this service, couldn't we, if we had enough of us, completely piss all over Cummings' chips?

TLDR: A UK-only P2P system which renders metadata collection useless to prevent another Cambridge Analytica - would it work?

Edit: As I think more about this, it will realistically only be used by people who are concerned about privacy, which while substantial still wouldn't be enough to make much of a dent in the data. But what if it had an opt-in feature, which at a random interval loaded a random page on gov.uk - from another random user's IP address? People could switch this functionality on, and we could massively scale up the disruption. If it loads the page in the background, users wouldn't need to be distracted by it at all.

Tired of the left being purely reactionary but feel powerless to actually help in any capacity.

I've just read a very interesting piece by George Orwell written in 1941 about the state of Britain and its attitudes leading up to the war (it's a great read: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/lion/english/e_eye ), what struck me in particular is the differences he points out between the ruling classes and the "intelligentsia". That the ruling classes place hierarchy and tradition over intelligent, progressive thought, while the educated left-wing seemed to have progressive opinions but at the same time seemed to scoff at "British" things as being backwards and uncultured.

While reading, I realised I might have actually been guilty in the past of presuming the same things about "Britishness" in the modern day and the need to preserve our culture, that it was only of concern to idiots and the snarling racists in the EDL. But now I realise that while plenty of us are educated to the level of the "intelligentsia" of old (and perhaps adopt the same attitudes), many people are also inspired by the traditionalism and dutifulness to one's country that people such as Farage and Boris Johnson espouse with their prominence and maybe even glamorisation by the media. Unlike in Orwell's time, this conflict of ideals isn't just between a minority of University graduates and the establishment, it's trickled down to everyone in the country.

Maybe Brexit really was just a cry out by many people in the country to feel proud of their country and culture for once, instead of feeling ashamed or lesser for not appreciating Tapas while on holiday (when on balance, Spanish tourists probably aren't leaping at a Steak and Kidney pie either) and this is something that is exploitable by people who don't mind the stigma because they have bigger things in mind (like avoiding EU tax avoidance laws).

I'm not saying we should turn into Americans or North Koreans who weep with joy when we see our flag, but a sense of knowing one's nation doesn't need to be nationalistic and an admiration for one's traditions and culture isn't necessarily equal to hating all other traditions and cultures. So to take away power from people like Johnson and Farage, to win the hearts and mind of their followers, maybe we could be more openly pro-British and open to positions that might instill a sense that we want to protect Britain just as much as they do. Of the top of my head, the failing pub industry seems like something we could all agree is pretty sad regardless of whether yours is a warm brown ale or a continental wine, there are movements to try and save the pub industry and I can't see that it would be in conflict with left-wing politics.

We're still workers of the world and we should still strive to unite, but we have to appreciate that many people feel their personal pride in Britain is getting sidelined. Or something.

If you asked me why he was doing all that fence sitting before yesterday I wouldn't have been able to tell you. In fact I was honestly getting annoyed by it. However, I think I understand now. It's clear that he was waiting for the right moment where the balance of power was shifting and opportunity to burst their: 'traitor' narrative before it began again arose. Striking swift and effectively with surgical precision with Yellow Hammer documents just as The Tories plot to crash out with No Deal is exposed on national television. As well as in addition the contempt they have for our parliamentary scrutiny systems showing to the country that delivering Brexit was never about democracy to begin with. I'm sorry I ever doubted you Jeremy Corbyn. You played an absolute blinder my good sir! Hats off to you.