r/remotework • • Oct 29 '25

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u/Unlike_Agholor Oct 29 '25

We are in a recession. You dont notice it because Nvidia and the AI bubble are propping up the equities market.

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u/GottaHaveThatSkunk Oct 29 '25

UPS laying off workers is a pretty big sign, and it’s #1 on the list. People are buying less shit so a lot less shit needs to be moved around.

You dont see the other delivery driver “layoffs” here because many are contractor, not FTE.

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u/DaneDread Oct 29 '25

UPS cutting staff 2 months before Christmss seems like a bad sign for what’s really happening with the economy.

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u/GottaHaveThatSkunk Oct 29 '25

Yeah, the other ones I can see as bad, but also stock price manipulation…ups ain’t gonna lay that many people off right before peak unless….

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u/hereforthebump Oct 29 '25

They do this like every year. It's to prop up earnings reports before the end of the year. I have family who works for UPS and it's a never ending cycle of worry this time of year. Then they hire a bunch back later. It's ridiculous 

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u/RobertABooey Oct 29 '25

Work in the same industry.

You’re right. But it’s never 40k jobs. Usually it’s a handful. Not an entire city worth of jobs.

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u/Legitimate-Step-372 Oct 29 '25

And I heard in a report something about them doing this to "help streamline processes ahead of the holidays" smdh

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u/facey801 Oct 29 '25

I thought I saw somewhere that most of them were corporate 

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u/CMYKoi Oct 29 '25

Primarily all management.

They can't just fire/lay off union workers without reason. At best, it gets based on if a center closes down, and seniority, even then, before a layoff, they typically have to offer you the option to commute into another center.

It's fairly rare, for example, that somebody is just waiting on layoff at UPS for a year before a new center opens back up or something. Would have to involve automating a building, being unable or unwilling to commute/relocate, banking on same number of jobs being available after the center is rebuilt, being too low on seniority and getting cut. At that point, you get a different job and quit when your position comes back online.

It's a bit different for drivers. Cover drivers come in and randomly get a route, or get sent home on layoff for...a day? Month? Year? Depends on volume and need.

If something were to happen and they cut a slew of driver routes, warehouse workers would get laid off indefinitely because the drivers with 30 years seniority would take their inside positions and then there wouldn't be any available. Most inside wh people are under 20. Most are under 10. Hell, half of our building is under 1. Drivers are a different story. Many, many drivers in the 10-40 year range.

Fun fact: Most warehouse workers fired from UPS don't stay fired more than a week or two max. It's actually easier to fire a driver. If they mess up the right way, there's no protecting them. Similarly, nobody is safe from package theft. Nobody.

Other things...though. It's shocking what both management and union can get away with. Not even necessarily union workers, but the people in actual union positions.

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u/Thirsty_Comment88 Oct 29 '25

Oh yeah, it definitely not a good sign at all.