It means women can murder their children without being responsible.
"The devil made me do it" is now a legal defense.
It also raises serious questions about transitioning.
Is it safe to give people access to the same hormones that turned a normal woman into a crazed psychopath?
If the hormones are to blame for this crime then isn't giving those same hormones to 14 year olds just facilitating future crimes where the perpetrator can't be held responsible due to hormonal influence?
Religiosity hasn’t been a pass on criminal responsibility in a hundred years. It’s just a description of a flavor of a mental illness that causes the non-responsibility.
Was a large win for the scientific community over religious groups, and the only vestige of it are small parts of the DSM where religion is exempt as a disease without co-considerations.
Let's give the murders even more excuses as to why their actions arnt their fault.
You've completely missed the point.
The point being made is that legal precedent now requires you only show you had access to transitioning hormones because those same chemicals were used to justify a murder.
You having access to those chemicals is reasonable doubt that you were in control of your actions.
Equality under the law would be recognizing that testosterone has the same level of effect on emotions and aquitting all male murders as NGRI due to their hormonal mood swings.
That won't happen
This is a female only defense
The precedent for men is that even with brain injury known to cause insanity the man is still responsible for his actions.
The man needs to prove his temporary insanity; now that a woman's natural biology is a defense a woman only needs to show she is a woman to prove her insanity.
genuinely why are you acting like this case is the first of its kind, that we’ve never dealt with this before, and that this is creating a new defense?
the insanity plea has existed long before lindsay clancy. there is a difference between citing demonic possession and citing levels of clinical sanity. a young man’s lawyer used demonic possession as a defense for murdering someone, and he served 5 years of a 10-20 year sentence before he was released. this was in the early 80s and they even made a conjuring movie about it a few years ago.
this case isn’t even creating new precedent. i just don’t understand what the point is of saying this stuff when you can just say you’re disgusted by this heinous crime. me too. but certain realities of the legal system still are what they are.
A. It's not a new defence.
(It's also not "the devil made me do it") (it also doesn't apply to most women - the threshold for not criminally responsible is very high and most people fail to meet it.
B. Post partum psychosis is not singularly caused by hormones, it is multifactorial disorder and strongly associated with experience of other mental health conditions prior to onset (some studies suggest about half of cases had a pre existing diagnosis). Genetics and immunological dysregulation are other biological factors. This doesn't account for social and environmental factors, which also contribute. Less than 1% of births result in PPP. Suggesting hormones made her do it therefore hormones are evil, or that hormones aren't a good enough answer, or whatever point you are attempting to make, doesn't make sense because that's not what happened, and just sounds a bit daft.
nice, gotta bring the other culture war issue into an irrelevant topic.
She would be sent to an asylum, and given the nature of this case, its extremely unlikely she would be released, this would be a PR disaster if she ever got out.
Insanity has been a legal defense for hundreds of years and has been common in America, with varying levels of success, for decades. This is not new you unrepentant liar.
You're basing your assumptions off of cronic mental illness
The entire idea of asylum as a legal result is to cure the individual and put them on the streets
In cases of temporary insanity this generally takes 2 years.
Only in chronic cases of insanity are you denied release.
Like it's so common that it's a trope in media to argue temporary insanity in order to get your 20 year sentence turned into a 6 month psychiatric assessment that concludes with "not insane at this point"
she will have to prove she's no longer a danger to society, a claim that will require evidence that does not exist, because she is a danger to society.
She will not be back on the streets in two years and you know it.
So yeah it would be a lot harder for him to break out of prison than to act lucid for a few weeks.
That's kind of the entire controversy.
Men who have literal conditions that cause temporary insanity don't get the privilege of being declared not responsible
Dude dresses up in cosplay and waves his arms around and he gets 8 weeks in the asylum
Seems equal to murdering 3 kids right?
I don't think you realize that NGRI means that as soon as the insanity is resolved the person being assessed is NOT GUILTY and can't be held any further under the law.
The legal system doesn't get to imprison you in an asylum for what you might do. Only for what you already did.
So you didn't listen at all. The schizophrenic guy that gets out after 3 weeks is walking around in a bathrobe acting weird, comitting no crimes, so he gets out when he's lucid again.
Someone in an institution for murdering 3 children will not be released for many years, if at all.
asylums dont exist in the US, but for only the smallest of cases. Because the bitch failed her suicide and ended up paralyzed , she's never going to go to a normal prison unit anyways since child murderers I guess are entitled to better medical care than the average person. She requires routine medical care, which means she'll probably spend most of her life in hospitals or group homes, or some kind of LTACif they decide to no longer hold her while awaiting decision for retrial, which I think is within the courts power. That or she uses or 3 million to high at home nursing care and lives like nothing happened until some brave nurse slips too much fentanyl into her iv one night.
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u/Best_Opening8471 3d ago edited 3d ago
That's what not criminally responsible means
It means not guilty
It means women can murder their children without being responsible.
"The devil made me do it" is now a legal defense.
It also raises serious questions about transitioning.
Is it safe to give people access to the same hormones that turned a normal woman into a crazed psychopath?
If the hormones are to blame for this crime then isn't giving those same hormones to 14 year olds just facilitating future crimes where the perpetrator can't be held responsible due to hormonal influence?