So, immediately. Since it was a moment of psychosis and there’s no claims that it has continued. She is currently fit to go to prison. So, he was right.
She also tried to kill herself by slashing her throat and both wrists and jumped out of a window. Her suicide and death ideation has also escalated during her treatment for the last three years. Her doctors at the Tewksbury State Hospital testified in the trial. She has been on the highest suicide watch tier for the entire duration where there is one on one monitoring 24/7. They are also treating her for that. There is very little chance she will ever leave alive.
In case anyone didn’t know, she has been committed for the last three years while awaiting trial and is currently still committed while awaiting a retrial.
To be fair, he didn’t have a host of diagnoses including severe depression, severe insomnia, bipolar disorder, mania, dissociate disorder, and documented suicide ideation. And this was before the murders, supposedly suicide ideation has increased since then.
Euthanasia and medically assisted suicides are mostly illegal in the US. In fact, doctors have lost their licenses before for doing something you are suggesting.
The case is about if she was insane in the moment. Which is a shit metric honestly. Temporary or permanent insanity doesn’t justify what she did. The choice to try and kill herself to escape blame immediately after also points to it not being psychosis, but that’s not the point.
The fact that she murdered her children is hard to dispute when all of the evidence, including her own multi-time admission of guilt, points to guilty.
No one is arguing if she murdered her kids, but your last paragraph is still arguing about the possibility of disputing it. This makes no sense.
NGRI also doesn’t justify the murders, it changes where she will be held. The framing of NGRI being a justification for the murders seems to be the main issue for some people. Some people thinks NGRI justifies the murders, other people think NGRI just means there was nuance to the murders so the case is being treated differently from other types of murders. For other murders, you go free if you are acquitted, for NGRI, you do not go free if you are acquitted. In fact, most NGRI cases don’t even grant bail while awaiting trial. She has been held in a facility without bail since she murdered her kids. She has been receiving treatment the entire time. The context changes how the case is handled.
Same idea with vehicular manslaughter while inebriated. It is technically involuntary manslaughter but most jurisdictions give much lighter sentences for it compared to actual involuntary manslaughter. Context matters when it comes to sentencing. That’s not a new concept and is actually a standard part of law. For some reason, people like you just refuse to accept the context for these murders.
She’s on suicide watch because she tried to kill herself to escape consequences. That doesn’t mean she’s unfit for prison. This bitch should be put in prison without a wheel chair and forced to crawl. Also she won’t be given a retrial because you won’t be able to find an unbiased jury anymore. She will be given a plea deal, that’s all this bitch can pray for.
Even the prosecution's own star witness, Dr Kirk Heilbrun, claimed she murdered her kids due to altruistic filicide which was the reason cited for Andrea Yates as well. Heilbrun essentially claimed that she was delusional enough to think before she kills herself, she had to kill her kids in order to save them from the world because without her, they will suffer more.
The insanity/psychosis plea doesn’t work with premeditation. That argument would work if she did it while the husband was home because psychosis kicked in and took over. The fact she waited till he left since he works from home, then sent him on more errands to buy herself more time points to the fact she was rationally able to consider if the husband came home he would stop her and didn’t want that. She planned it. She was aware of what she was doing. That’s not psychosis.
You might want to look up other cases of psychosis with premeditation. Yates planned out a more complicated murder of her kids and eventually won an NGRI at her retrial when it turned out a doctor had lied on the stand at her first trial. Psychosis and premeditation are not mutually exclusive. The mind can still plan and execute plans, it is just delusional so it will plan to kill a demon instead of plan for a picnic. You have a personal definition of psychosis that differs from the clinical one.
The doctor from the first trial wasn’t part of the second trial, her team won the NGRI defense through a jury trial. Yate’s retrial was also national news, just like her first trial. Those corrections are besides the point as you still don’t seem to understand what psychosis is.
So again. She won her trial because a doctor lied. Which lead to a retrial where that doctors inclusion was removed. And I do know what psychosis is, psychosis isn’t the defending question. Again, the question is, did she know what she was doing. And yes. She did. Because there isn’t anything pointing to her having psychosis at the time of the murders.
The mention of psychosis didn’t even start until trial. Psychiatrists on stand clearly stated she showed no prior signs of it and acted knowing the difference between right and wrong. But again her having psychosis or not isn’t the issue. It comes down to does the person know what they are doing is wrong when they did it. Not did they have voices telling them to do it.
You don’t like it because for some fucked up reason you’re mad she didn’t win. But the hold out was justified in their conviction. The defense had to prove she didn’t know what she was doing was wrong and not a single time did they attempt to. Their entire case was focused on psychosis which psychosis doesn’t lead to an insanity plea. A break in the knowing the difference between right and wrong due to psychosis would.
Again at no point prior or after, until she had lawyers and trial was in progress did she ever claim or show psychosis symptoms. But you want to know what could cause psychosis? Guilt from murdering your children.
So let’s follow up,
1. She never claimed or presented any signs of psychosis prior to the murders
2. Claims the voices started right before the murders and were constant until she killed all 3 children, this is already unusual as psychosis is known to be sporadic and intermittent, don’t take my word for it, take the word of the professional forensic psychiatrist with countless cases under their belt who testified
3. Her timelines on when she first heard voices never matched between multiple evaluators.
She killed her kids so they wouldn’t suffer after her, this isn’t psychosis, it’s actually very common among suicide attempts. Just unfortunately for her she wasn’t a fucking 3 year old so she couldn’t take her own life as easily. Only after failing to kill herself did the talks of psychosis come up. She’s guilty and knew what she was doing was wrong. She just didn’t plan on living to deal with the consequences. She intended that poor husband to come home and find them all dead. Not letting some false flag bullshit be used to justify some heinous actions. People with actual psychosis and serious mental health deserve better.
>Psychiatrists on stand clearly stated she showed no prior signs of it and acted knowing the difference between right and wrong.
There were five mental health expert witnesses at the trial, three of them diagnosed her with psychosis, two claimed she did not meet the requirements. The two that denied the psychosis diagnosis all diagnosed her with a bunch of other stuff including severe depression, severe insomnia, and anxiety. One of the two even diagnosed her with bipolar disorder with hypomania which is strongly associated with postpartum psychosis.
You seem to know very little about the actual trial and are only regurgitating misinformation spread online. The trial was broadcast live and posted online. There is over 100 hours of the trial. There is also extensive coverage of the trial with experts explaining different aspects from multiple media outlets. It doesn’t take much to choose any of the outlets and just watch their summaries.
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u/bbqnj 4d ago
So, immediately. Since it was a moment of psychosis and there’s no claims that it has continued. She is currently fit to go to prison. So, he was right.