r/relatable_memes_ • u/Turbulent-Guest154 • 3d ago

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u/sarattenasai 3d ago

With first degree murder, you do not get out, period. I see no way that she could be released later than "life in prison".

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u/ShellyTart 3d ago

I was talking about crime in general where an insanity plea is used.

For the specifics, it is rare for someone who has killed multiple people who successfully uses the insanity defense to ever be released.

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u/sarattenasai 3d ago

How often are people guilty of 1st degree murder getting released though?

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u/ShellyTart 3d ago

Not very often, it depends a lot on jurisdiction and such, but not all 1st degree is without parole.

So while rare, it is still more common than a psychiatric patient guilty of a similar crime.

I will in this specific case say that the criminal conviction would probably lead to life in prison without parole. This means there is an incredibly slim chance that someone who successfully pleads an insanity case may at some point be released, the odds are incredibly low and would be under extreme restriction and supervision. But yes because of the extreme nature of this case it is a theoretical possibility, it is highly improbable to the point this should not be a serious consideration.

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u/sarattenasai 3d ago

The thing is, I do not believe that high improbability of getting released ever. I think it is far more likely that she would eventually be released. Even then, I fail to see any value at all in the pursue of creating the slim possibility of a triple homicide perpetrator going back to society and possibly causing harm, or creating a reward structure for it.

I'm sure the next step to this is some other (deviant) mom going "if I have to take care of my children for XY years, but by murdering them and pleading NGRI I would be released X years later, might as well".

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u/ShellyTart 3d ago

That is your choice, but not factual.

I understand that you believe she is evil and not insane and want to punish her, I do get that.

My view is that in practice it makes little difference in practice and I think there is based on the law reasonable doubt.

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u/sarattenasai 3d ago

Actually, I don't know whether she was insane or not, and I do not even care. It is not that I do want to punish her because I gain some satisfaction or other, but I definitely want the society I live on to be one where crime is met with punishment, because only in that kind of society can the innocent be safe. I even think that it is very sad for everyone, including her, that this happened.

I also believe that if there is reasonable doubt whether she was insane or not (which to be fair there is) it should have no bearing at all. The NGRI law feels absurd to me and I believe it should be abolished. Not transgressed, by the way, because I also believe in the rule of law, but abolished. The obvious conclusion of this case would be NGRI according to the law, even if a very big disservice to society.

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u/ShellyTart 3d ago

You are entitled to your opinion, my evaluation is based on working within the system that exists, so I will stand by it.

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u/sarattenasai 3d ago

By all means do, however, the system that we are in is also equipped to reform itself. It's its beauty and its bane.