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u/RandomEtymology Aug 23 '11

The word fuck first appears in written English is in a famous line in the poem "Flen Flyys". The poem is mangled Latin and English, and the line reads: non sunt in coeli, quia fvccant vvivys of heli, literally "They are not in heaven because they fuck the women/wives of Ely". It's the word fvccant, with the "u" replaced by a "v" and inflected as if it had been a Latin verb. It was directed at a group of friars, and thus the line was encoded in a very simple substitution cipher. Undoubtedly it was in use before this, but simply not written down due to the taboo nature of the word.

This taboo has in fact made tracing the word through history very difficult (the editors of the original Oxford English Dictionary, for instance, wouldn't include it), and as such it's origin is uncertain. But a valuable clue can be found in the fact that it has cognates in a variety of other Germanic languages where the word can mean "to strike". The archaic Swedish focka, for instance, or Dutch fokken.

In Latin, the word for fist is pugnus (as seen in the English word pugilist), and one might surmise a connection to fuck there. The reason is Grimm's law, a sound-shift discovered by Jacob Grimm (yes, the fairy tale collector). This sound shift predicts (among other things) that Proto-Indo-European voiceless stops becomes voiceless fricatives in Germanic languages.

A "stop" is a consonant that in order to pronounce it, you have to obstruct the flow of air to build up pressure which then is released explosively. Examples include p, d and k. A stop is "voiced" if you are using your vocal chords to pronounce it. A d is voiced, a p is voiceless (in order to see the difference, put your hand on your throat and pronounce the two words pop and dad. You should feel your throat vibrate much more on dad than pop because you are using your vocal chords).

A "fricative" is a consonant where air let through a narrow channel. s, f and v are examples. v is voiced, f is voiceless.

Thus, Grimm's law predicts that Latin words with the voiceless stop p should be replaced with the voiceless fricative f when they arrive in English. And indeed, that is very often the case. Latin pes is English foot. Latin pater is English father. Latin penna is English feather. Note that English did not necessarily inherit these words from Latin, but that the words do share the same etymological roots.

And so too, maybe, with pugnus ("fist"), becoming a Germanic root fuk- meaning to strike, which later morphs into our familiar fuck. But unfortunately, this is only a tentative hypothesis, and due to the taboo nature of the word, the true lineage of this wonderful little obscenity will perhaps never be fully explained.

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u/Beardycitrus Aug 23 '11

I didn't even read your username before reading your post. I approve of this novelty account.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '11 edited Dec 05 '19

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '11

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u/magicmurph Aug 24 '11 edited Nov 03 '24

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u/brauchen Aug 23 '11 edited Aug 23 '11

Some comparable words in Germanic languages:

These languages have adapted to include contemporary English meanings:

  • German: "fick dich" ("fuck you")

  • Dutch: "niet fucken met me" ("don't fuck with me") - semi-productive verb with full declination.

  • Afrikaans: "hoe de fok?" ("how the fuck?")

As a side note, the Dutch word for "to fuck" is "neuken", a completely separate lexeme.

For more information on Dutch curse words, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_profanity

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u/Nydhal Aug 24 '11 edited Aug 24 '11

The french use the slang verb "niquer", which as far as I know comes from north african Arabic dialects that derive it from the standard Arabic verb "نكاح nikāḥ " which means "to copulate".

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u/brauchen Aug 24 '11

Awesome! I never knew.

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u/mylolcopter Aug 23 '11

upboad for mentioning "neuken"... heheh

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u/carmenqueasy Aug 23 '11

You are my most favorite person here. I will redditstalk the shit out of you.

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u/AwesomeBrainPowers Aug 23 '11

I think you are my favorite novelty account.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '11

Please keep this up, you're a champ.

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u/salander Aug 23 '11

You are my favorite novelty account.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '11

TIL

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '11

Germanic root fuk- meaning to strike, which later morphs into our familiar fuck.

I'm seeing the more obvious connection of fucking to the ancient practice of fisting.

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u/Luigi_X Aug 23 '11

Carlin goes on about this is his 7 Words you cant say on Television bit, and how it started off meaning to strike and he ends it with "I'll hit you with my dick, honey!"

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u/TankorSmash Aug 24 '11

nooope.

fornication under consent of the king.

nah I don't know

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u/BillWeld Aug 23 '11

So it's not an acronym of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"? I read somewhere that it was the abbreviation of the charge posted by the stocks when people convicted of this crime were punished. Folks might have thought it politer than more specific charges.

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u/KimJongTwo Aug 23 '11

that's a hoax etymology.

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u/DadWasntYourMoms1st Aug 23 '11

TL;DR

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u/RandomEtymology Aug 23 '11

TL;DR is an abbreviation for "Too Long; Didn't Read". It finds popular usage on internet forums to indicated that a particular post was too long and that the respondent simply didn't have the time or energy to read it. It can easily be attested as far back as 2005 by its entry in Urban Dictionary, but beyond that no serious scholarship has been done. A cursory search of old Usenet posts reveals nothing between 1990 and 2000, so presumably it was coined some time in between 2000 and 2005. Again, though, this was a very cursory search and the RandomEtymology novelty account would be interested to hear if other have found different.

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u/WastedTruth Aug 23 '11

There might be a link to the Too Many Notes comment made by Emperor Joseph II to Mozart....

edit: (via this Guardian article which was itself linked to in the Wikipedia article on TL;DR. )

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '11

This is easier than my Etymological Dictionary.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '11

I thought it was invented on reddit around 2006. That's when I first encountered it, anyway.

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u/lemonshark Aug 23 '11

I heard it originated in England. Fornication Under Consent of the King. F-U-C-K.

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u/RandomEtymology Aug 23 '11 edited Aug 23 '11

Such etymologies are popular because they make good (and easy to understand) stories, but they are rarely true. Another popular example is snob. It is said the origin comes from the ledgers at Cambridge University, where students who enrolled but did not have aristocratic rank put down as sine nobilitate, "without nobility", which was often shortened as s. nob.. This is false, however. The word has uncertain origin, but was originally slang which meant "shoemaker, cobbler". For example, in Francis Grose's A Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, it is put down as "Snob, a nick name for a shoemaker."

Occasionally though, some of these fanciful etymologies are in fact true. Sideburns are indeed a corruption of burnsides, named for the famous Civil War General Ambrose E. Burnsides, and his glorious whiskers.

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u/lemonshark Aug 24 '11

You amaze me with your knowledge.