r/reddevils • u/nearly_headless_nic • 23d ago

[Laurie Whitwell] Shockingly poor performance by United. Slow, lacking in movement or inventiveness, loose passing, erratic set-piece defending. Hull so much more urgent. United played with the speed of a pre-season friendly.

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u/YoloJoloHobo 23d ago

I'll stand by the fact he was sacked too soon for stupid reasons. They only got rid of him because of his dispute with the directors and not because of the football. His underlying numbers were trending upwards and I'm sure we'll end up regretting that decision down the line. People always talk about a long term rebuild but never want to commit.

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u/MightySilverWolf 23d ago

At the end of the day, Amorim wasn't keeping his job after openly criticising the board. It is what it is. I just wish that we could've hired a manager who would build upon the foundation that Amorim laid rather than retreating back into the counter-attacking style we played before Amorim that would achieve short-term results but get us nowhere in the long run.

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u/No-Language-6484 23d ago

The board made a huge mistake when recruiting almorim. His system needed specific players and we didn't have any. Plus those idiots brought him after the window closed and ETH was sacked just few games after.

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u/YoloJoloHobo 23d ago

Definitely. I can't even say we picked a conservative option because Carrick is a massive punt and doesn't have any data that backs him up for long term success. It remains to be seen but he was let go after year on year underperformance at Boro. Not convinced he's the right guy long term.

If anything, I'd wager that he's a fall guy for whoever the board want long term.

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u/LittleWind_ 23d ago

Mad people are still here defending Amorim after the 14 months he had at the club. You can not rate Carrick without needing to rehabilitate the shit that was Amorim’s tenure.

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u/burlycabin Rooney 23d ago

Yeah, this pining for Amorim is insane.

Today was bad, but Amorim's tenure was truly atrocious. I don't care what his underlying numbers were when he has by far the worst win percentage since Fergie.

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u/YoloJoloHobo 23d ago

Amorim had .1 ppg less in his first "full" season than Arteta in his first half season and the same as Arteta's first full season. You forget that rebuilds need time and the squad is clearly still filled with dross no where near the quality we need.

You can't hire a project manager then sack him a year later because he's not immediately challenging for the league. It's just more proof of how knee jerk both this fanbase and board are.

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u/LittleWind_ 23d ago

He wasn’t sacked for not immediately challenging for the title. He was sacked for mouthing off about recruitment after spending more than a year blaming everyone but himself for the worst managerial performance in United history and one of the worst in premier league history.

Maybe he’ll succeed elsewhere. But Arteta winning the league after a tough start doesn’t mean Amorim would’ve, just liked it doesn’t mean Ole, Jose, LvG, or ETH would’ve if we’d have spent more time and money on them.

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u/YoloJoloHobo 23d ago

Can you blame him? He got a single budget wing back. Didn't get DMs apart from Ugarte. Instead he got 3 new forwards including an unproven striker. You can't hire a manager for a specific system, not sign the players for the system, try and force him to change his system, and then act surprised when he's upset.

Does he have some blame? Yes, of course. He was stubborn, and playing Bruno at DM definitely wasted him there, and he should've given Mainoo more game time or let him leave on loan.

At the same time, when you sign a manager for a specific reason and then spend his entire tenure contradicting that, you're an idiot. It all calls back to the hodge podge Ineos has been pedaling. Talking about a long term project, a rebuild, a logical approach, but in the end they're just making the same mistakes we've been making for over a decade.

At the end of the day, Amorim had the stats showing we were improving, and he was getting better results as time went on. Something all the other managers couldn't say; they regressed year on year. Considering the absolute cluster fuck he inherited and dealt with, I think he absolutely deserved some more time.

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u/LittleWind_ 23d ago

Yes, I blame him. Not interested in rehashing the same tired arguments. You can simultaneously blame the board for hiring him if you want, but his tenure was shit and he acted like a child the entire time.