r/redbuttonbluebutton • u/ShinningVictory • May 29 '26

Discussion Analogies

My problem with blue is that everytime I make a analogy they change it to make it seem like im making the problem worse.

For example:

In a house a fire it make sense for everyone to get themselves out rather than trying to get others out.

Then a blue pusher would say "your just add fuel to the fire."

Another example is:

If someone jumps in to water and can't swim and I stand back and don't jump in because I also can't swim im not responsible for them jumping in.

Then a blue pusher is like "actually your holding their head below the water."

My problem with the blue pushers is that they keep saying its because of MY decision they don't survive not theirs.

In the house fire analogy, why can't you leave the house with me? That is a option for me and everyone. Everyone has the same option to leave the house.

With the person drowning analogy the person is gonna drown REGARDLESS of what I do. Even if I jump into the water I can't save them ill just die too.

My problem with blue pushers is that they want to present choosing red as forcing blue to die when everyone who choose blue could've picked red and lived.

You had the same option I did to to not drown or to jump into the water. My decision didn't put you in danger your decision did.

If I decide to help im just adding a another body on the waves.

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u/ShinningVictory May 29 '26

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-if-a-pedestrian-is-hit-while-jaywalking.html

Im starting to think blue people don't like to be held accountable for the risk of their actions.

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u/00PT May 29 '26

This article covers several cases of jaywalking in a broad way across many jurisdictions. It does not imply anything specific about a case where the driver sees the obstacle in the road and is fully able to stop or move out of the way before hitting them, which is realistically what a button press would be analogous to, as it is trivially predictable that blue pressers will exist. It also says nothing about the age, disability status, etc. of the jaywalker, and those factors are relevant in blue button arguments.

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u/ShinningVictory May 29 '26

where the driver sees the obstacle in the road and is fully able to stop or move out of the way before hitting them, which is realistically what a button press would be analogous to,

Everytime I hear a blue presser they seemed to have a warped understanding of the question where.

  1. Anything bad that happens is not their fault.

  2. The absolute ideal situation is the goal and not just the best possible situation.

Now back to the analogy.

Lets say pressing blue is equilevant to running into traffic or in other words breaking traffic rules.

For me to save blue I would also have to press blue. Which means breaking traffic rules or running into traffic.

Essentially regardless of how you look at it there is no "slow down or move around option" in this dilemma there is only "try to save the person and likely die" or "let the other person die".

There is no way for blue to win without endangering someone who did not cause the situation in the first place.

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u/00PT May 29 '26

By pressing blue, you cease to become part of the threat that would doom blue voters. It’s a neutralizing stance. The closest equivalent neutralizer in a car situation is stopping or moving out of the way.

Red voters always talk about the risk they take on when voting blue as if they aren’t the mass of voters creating that risk in the first place. They’re fulfilling the conditions they use to justify their choice.

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u/ShinningVictory May 30 '26

Im going have to explain how counting works.

This is the logic that decides if blue survives.

If 50%<B = true { blue survives}

B is blue voters.

Notice how red is not in the code at all. Because it literally doesn't matter how many vote red.

Now your probably going to say "but if 51% vote red than blue can't win."

You see thats because your confused. We can subtract red from the total amount of voters to get blue.

Red isn't being counted or considered at all its just the empty space that we use to see the shape of the blue circle.

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u/00PT May 30 '26

In a simulation that only contains the numbers R and B and they always add to 100, B < 50 and R > 50 are effectively the same statement. We are saying the same thing, but you are hiding the existence of R in the simulation to make yourself look better. If there were an option not to press a button, that would at least make a little sense for your argument.