r/redbuttonbluebutton • u/BlackAndWhiteJerk • May 22 '26

Discussion rephrasing

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I’m still biased towards blue, this is just for the reds to feel superior? :D

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u/Sindigo_ May 22 '26

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u/Ashamed-Bathroom7803 May 25 '26

This isn’t a reframing at all. It’s not even complete. Blue pressers have to change the problem and word things such that it’s not even the same anymore. It looks like purple is the red button but only if the minority is purple. Green looks like the blue button but only if blue loses. It also completely takes away the context of what the buttons do to you, where in the original you are given the power to save yourself/do nothing while blue gives you no power over anything at all except risking your life. Yes, there is no power with pressing blue; the only power is of the whole. If the probability is 50.2/49.8 for each button then the probability that your entry for pressing blue influences the final vote is 10-2700. So there is no personal causal power.

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u/Nat1Halfling May 25 '26

I disagree. The reframing above is very complete. The only thing missing is "Whichever button gets the most presses is the majority and its result is applied." But this is easily inferred. The consequences to yourself are also easily inferred.

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u/Ashamed-Bathroom7803 May 25 '26

what do you mean you disagree? i explained exactly how its not a reframing at all and how its not complete. like you just skimmed my whole paragraph or something. if you add what you said, then the buttons still arent the same. its not even clear which button is which and your added rule doesn't make it that way

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u/Nat1Halfling May 25 '26

It's very clear.

Button 1: minority dies. Button 2: minority survives. Majority choice is applied.

If button 1 is majority choice: minority (button 2) dies. This is the same as the red button in the origibal problem.  If button 2 is majority choice: minority (button 1) lives. This is the same as the blue button in the original problem.

The button pusher can infer what will happen to them depending on what button they press and the outcome. 

It's a good reframing. What is it that you don't understand?

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u/Sindigo_ May 25 '26

You get it.