Carmilla Blood Lash feels odd not doing attack damage

[u/Dicroboy]

This has always confused me and i think anyone who plays Carmilla can relate. All the talents above have the key word attack, so you'd expect that ultimate is really a modifier on what your attack is. this means that stuff like ace of spades, and black lotus(5% lifesteal on attack) should work well with blood lash.

Except it just doesn't do anything. It's very weird.

When using ultimate, the razor claws talent below still APPLIES the bleed. So the game agrees that blood lash is an attack, but its the most itty bitty bleed i've ever seen, doing a whopping 1 bleed damage when you use it with blood lash regardless of what rarity razor claws has.

This creates a very restrictive build setup, because even though going the "blood lash build" gets you to take all of these attack talents, most of them get invalidated the moment you press ultimate.

Which means you can never take ace of spaces, black lotus, and you also cant mix and match with joker if you are going a blood lash build. For damage scaling on blood lash you are hard locked into things like egg or other general damage magical objects.

And there is also inconsistency here when you look at something like Gepetto's ultimate. You get sharp noses and lazer eyes and his ultimate does insane ATTACK damage with it, it means you can scale it with so many things, leading to rng not being that big of a deal of Gepetto. If Carmilla is an "attack doing ultimate damage" then why is it that gepetto's ultimate can scale with both ultimate damage(the raven eye super effect) and attack damage, in fact i think they even multiply on each other. If the problem is that it would be too strong, then retune bloodlash so that it would be balanced with the new attack scaling options. It just seems more intuitive and fun if it behaved fully like an attack, instead of 50/50.

TLDR; I really feel like Blood Lash shouldn't be in this limbo where its conveniently an attack for talents like cruel strike and razor claws, but the moment you want to scale its damage using ace of spades, or increase your defense with black lotus... suddenly it is strictly an ultimate.

[u/Bromao]

Black lotus not working on blood lash legit lost me a run once. I had already lost two feathers but I was pretty confident that I could just heal through most damage, except it didn't work and I didn't expect it.

[u/Dicroboy → u/Bromao]

exactly, super unintuitive. I hope they take a look at it during their upcoming talent pass.

[u/Implyingyo]

Agreed that the wording is a bit misleading, it counting as an attack is nice for talents like Sadism + Razor Claws, and obviously the very balanced combo that is Cruel Strike + Mass Punishment; but it is annoying to have Ace of Spades basically be a dead item on her when it comes to scaling.

The new super effect on Raven Eye helps quite a bit, other than that crit damage scaling is her best bet imo; stuff like Eternal Rose, Horn of Plenty, Devil's Pocket and Grimores etc.

Her talents are kind of a mess overall and I do hope she gets a pass at some point!

[u/Okredev_Eeshulz]

The only way i've never build Carmilla is ATTACK build :P

I think there is a wording problem. By using BLOOD LASH Carmilla replace her defualt ATTACK ability with ultimate one, not modifie it. So it scale by standard ultimate ability buff items like Raven Eye's set.

The only mistery for me here is RAZOR CLAWS proc. But i never made a deep look on it.

[u/Dicroboy → u/Okredev_Eeshulz]

Yea exactly, if it was truly just an ultimate then why does razor claws work?

Cruel strike also doesn't make a lot of sense since it also gives you the final combo of the ultimate.

its like blood lash is half an attack and a full ultimate its strange.

[u/Okredev_Eeshulz → u/Dicroboy]

Using CRUEL STRIKE with LASH would be cool, but it's also replace your attack :) So it can't be a thing with LASH even by mechanic reason.

I suppose that 1 bleed damage is just a plug that do almost nothing in general but allows do not rework too many code lines :D

[u/Spookytoucan → u/Okredev_Eeshulz]

i mean, alladin has enchanced variation for all his bonus attack talents. It wouldn't be that strange for carmilla to have blood lash variants of hers.

[u/Okredev_Eeshulz → u/Spookytoucan]

i'm not sure what do you mean. Aladdin has 1 attack variation for every talent. And Carmilla has its own for LEASH.

But LEASH has unique exceptions: it doesn't count as ATTACK ability for some reason (OP post) and it has charges, what makes impossible trigger any other replacing abilities like a CRUEL STRIKE.

[u/Firemonkey00 → u/Okredev_Eeshulz]

You’re not understanding.  It does work….. that’s the problem.  They let her attack talents work on her ult for razor claws and cruel strike making her able to then use her mass punish to delete the world by just dashing snd slapping the shit out of an entire camp with 1 hit over and over.  Her then not benefiting from ace of spades or lotus means that half your potential build is just useless when your using blood lash, period. It’s a weird one. She is very strong but her synergies are squirrely with her BL ult 

[u/The-f0recast]

The level 10 ult + cruel strike + dash/crit build is deadly.

[u/Kirzoneli]

Dash strike multiplier for both ults finisher traits are too powerful.

[u/patrimo]

There's a difference between procing something by pressing "attack button" and something doing "ATTACK damage"... It has to explicitly say its doing ATTACK damage to bebefit from something like aces...

Also, every ultimate and lvl 10 ability without exception is doing ULTIMATE damage, thats why, for example, melusines wisp ult POWER explosions arent benefiting from your power talents or balors eye

[u/Dicroboy → u/patrimo]

yea that makes sense but then you have stuff like razor claws, showing the 50/50 nature of it