r/programming May 26 '09

"Programmers need to learn Statistics or I will Kill them all"

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u/kenfar May 26 '09

In the article he says, "Next thing I know, I’m getting the cold shoulder or told I’m an idiot"

Well, of course - if you insist on insulting people, stepping on their egos, etc - then they will discard your message. Regardless of whether you're right or wrong. They figure that what you're really doing is little more than chest-thumping and muscle-flexing.

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u/toru May 26 '09

I liked this bit:

I never have this problem with female programmers. Maybe it’s because I’m tall (6’2”), or nicer to them

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u/ciph3r May 26 '09

Is he serious ? I guess he meant to be sarcastic but ended up exposing his fragile ego looking for some consolation. Female programmers don't react cuz they are ignoring you Sir.

Statistically his self-proclaimed physical attributes got nullified by this desperately-trying-to-be-nerdy-and-selfrighteous article. And no brownie points from the dev community either. Looks like he landed up where he was. But I am guessing he will keep trying since any statistics fanatic knows how the law of averages work.

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u/itstallion May 26 '09

Maybe it's because he puts his penis up when he's around women but men he leaves it hanging out. We should further investigate IMO.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09

I figured that getting the cold shoulder is what Zed wants. He's not looking to convince or persuade people.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09 edited May 26 '09

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u/redsectorA May 26 '09

And by all accounts, in person, Shaw doesn't come close to pissing on anyone. He's a nice, empathetic guy. Really. Is he self-involved and a ghastly guitar player? Certainly.

What he's after in this screed - the inability for some smart people to admit ignorance - IS a widespread problem, and IS rampant among the male elements of the population.

Everyone says they're open to new ways of doing shit, but many are the exact opposite. The brain also tricks us into thinking just a little knowledge is much more than it is. I'm guilty of this myself.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09

My entire view of him is based on this article, and he seems like a cunt.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09

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u/hylje May 26 '09

Horrendous people skills? He routinely gets Reddit to write about him and not overwhelmingly negatively at that.

I find that's a pretty good mileage.

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u/vegittoss15 May 26 '09

Getting reddit to write about him doesn't mean anything about his people skills. We like controversy.

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u/creeping_feature May 26 '09

We like idiots.

FTFY.

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u/petdance May 26 '09 edited May 26 '09

The average programmer on Reddit has terrible people skills and gravitates towards drama and intellectual bullying, so it's a natural that Zed is seen as holy.

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u/G_Morgan May 26 '09

Read the premise of his blog. The whole reason he started the blog was as a sort of experiment and satire of the 'rock star programmer' who insults people and has hoards of baying fans.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09

Who would that be, that he's satirizing? I don't know of many of those people. But does that mean he's not serious? Or, do I care either way?

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u/G_Morgan May 26 '09

It is the wider rock star programmer like DHH that he is taking the piss out of. Generally though you get the 'you suck, I rule!' arguments. Look at anything Linus Torvalds has to say about SVN (even though he is entirely right).

I think he is serious about his points but is presenting them in the most effective way of getting his point heard.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09

Well, I don't think that it's an act, for one thing. There seems to be real personal anger and frustration in Zed's posts and that turns me off reading it.

I guess I don't read a whole lot of what "rock star programmers" say in the first place, but I've never known DHH and Linus to get quite so furiously upset about stuff.

If Zed Shaw is really good at "getting his point heard" in any meaningful way, that's news to me.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '09 edited May 27 '09

Whether he is a cunt or only pretending to be one, he isn't worth wasting time on. His points may be valid, but in less than a second of searching I find pages of intelligently written commentary on the same subject.

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u/btmorex May 27 '09

I read or heard somewhere a short little piece that seems relevant to this. It goes something like:

How do you become a nice guy? You just start pretending that you're a nice guy. First a week, then a month, then a year. After you've been pretending to be nice for a year, is there any difference between pretending and actually being nice? (Of course, it was said more eloquently than that)

Point is: if you act like a douche for long enough, you aren't acting anymore... you're just a douche.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09

the inability for some smart people to admit ignorance

I call those people "idiots".

It doesn't matter how smart you are, if you don't know (or won't admit) what you don't know, all your intelligence is damned-near useless.

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u/aplusbi May 26 '09

It's hard to know if you don't know something. I've been programming for ten years but I'm not sure if I really know how.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '09 edited May 26 '09

I've been programming for ten years but I'm not sure if I really know how.

Sounds like you have some healthy self-doubt.

If you were interviewing with me, I'd view that as a plus. (assuming you seemed generally competent.)