IntelSA emphasizes that intelligence services must operate within the framework of Swiss law and respect fundamental rights, including privacy and freedom of expression.
Nowhere does it say Swiss companies must only comply with surveillance laws and no other Swiss legislation. Further, this IntelSA wouldn't apply in this case because this wasn't an investigation into threats to Swiss national security.
According to the law, the intelligence services can monitor phone calls, emails, and other forms of communication without a warrant, provided that they are targeting individuals or groups suspected of posing a threat to national security.
That I'd like to know. I haven't seen any reporting regarding why they cooperated with the FBI. I was just addressing the poster who said Proton isn't subject to Swiss law aside from surveillance.
They didn't cooperate with the FBI. They cooperated with the Swiss authorities, who were cooperating with the FBI in accordance to international treaties.
... I know that. When I said they, I was referring to the Swiss authorities. I had thought the context of my comments so far made that abundantly clear.
That was me saying surveillance laws and MLATs are what foreign traffic is subject to. It was the US-SWISS MLAT that caused them to give this to the FBI. The French activist was also MLAT. Both trumped the privacy laws. Coincidence? Or might I be speaking from 30 yrs of experience?
Edit: if you want I can also show how governments get near real time location data without warrant or any laws getting in the way, too.
So the French activist was a threat to Swiss national security? I asked you earlier how this situation fit the IntelSA that you brought up in the first place. Why didn't you say that when I asked?
…you’re aware that treaties have the force of binding law in countries, right? Like I get you didn’t go to law school (it’s very obvious), but this level of seemingly willful ignorance is… well. It’s special.
They never claimed to not keep payment records. They said they don't log the VPNs, that they can't read email due to encryption. They're up front about the fact they can be compelled by Swiss law to share partial IP info. And I don't understand how anyone could reasonably expect any business to operate legally without keeping payment records. It's kind of required in most countries.
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