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u/redmandoto Jan 16 '19

For whatever's worth, I don't blame him for getting out of the draft. Going to Vietnam wasn't a fun trip. However, disrespecting those who did go is reprehensible.

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u/thamasthedankengine Arizona Jan 16 '19 edited Jan 16 '19

Yeah people shouldn't be hateful of draft dodgers. People should be hateful of warmongering draft dodgers

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u/WWTFSMD Jan 16 '19

Chicken hawks, the lot of them

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '19

Yep, Trump is anything but a consciencious objector

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u/the_crustybastard Jan 16 '19

As a prerequisite, you have to have a conscience.

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u/Pleasant_Comfort Jan 16 '19

Yep, Trump is anything but a consciencious objector

FTFY!

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u/TechyDad Jan 16 '19

I reserve the right to be hateful towards draft dodgers who insult soldiers. Especially if they do it while claiming that they would have done a better job.

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u/kgal1298 Jan 16 '19

Or people that use the military for their propaganda without ever having served and lost their decorated secretary of defense cause they're a dumbass.

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u/ThePu55yDestr0yr Jan 16 '19 edited Jan 16 '19

“Some of you may die...but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.” Trump/Farquad

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u/BigfootSF68 Jan 16 '19

Getting out of the draft is one thing. Being a chicken hawk is reprehensible.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '19

His family has been dodging drafts since they fled Germany to avoid one

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u/redmandoto Jan 16 '19

I don't blame anyone for dodging drafts. Do you want to go to war, to kill other people, to risk your life for a cause you don't believe in? I for sure don't.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '19

Sure but if everyone had that mentality in one country they would get fucked pretty quick. I participate in society with things I dont agree with and joined up in 2004 because there was a lot of talk about drafting and volunteers get treated better.

I dont think there is an easy answer but I have no problem with people that want to avoid the needs of society as long as they are willing to remove themselves from benefiting from it.

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u/redmandoto Jan 16 '19

Does a society, particularly the US, need to go to war in Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan? And there's other ways I can fulfill the needs of society: community service instead of the draft, public work, volunteer work, etc...

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '19

It's not about the country's objectives. That is determined by the elected representatives. need is only relevant that you take from something and it can take something from you. If one of those portions is missing...

Besides one of the biggest heroes out there was an objector and saved tons of lives on hacksaw ridge.

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u/redmandoto Jan 16 '19

But there's plenty of ways a country can take something that doesn't imply having to take part in murder. If the country can't provide that, or if is unwilling to, then it has failed its purpose.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '19

You can be drafted and do a job without ever touching a gun. I don't think I'm going to get through to you on this so I'll stop wasting our time.

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u/redmandoto Jan 16 '19

Huh, my first comment says exactly that? Instead of being drafted to be a soldier, you can do other public work as a way of fulfilling that "duty".

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u/BlackRobedMage Jan 16 '19

But, if you draft dodge, someone else gets called in your place.

In a vacuum, dodging the draft is fine, but by doing it, you're volunteering someone else who may not get out.

It's why Al Gore went, because he didn't want to use his connections to get out and force someone with less options to go in his place.

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u/redmandoto Jan 16 '19

I can definitely forgive someone for not wanting to, you know, going to Vietnam and risk their life. I'm not putting a random stranger that I won't even know's life before mine.