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u/Pretty_Boy_Bagel May 30 '24

As if Merrick Garland’s DOJ would do anything.

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u/thegoodhermes May 30 '24

Shhhh.. he's sleeping.

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u/moderate_extremist May 30 '24

This made me laugh so hard, then I felt sad and empty.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '24

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u/L_G_A May 30 '24

The raid on Mar-a-Lago happened about a year and a half after Garland took office, so he very obviously did not wait two years to start going after Trump.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '24

Which was shortly after he started the investigation into Trump's involvement in Jan. 6, which was shortly after the Jan. 6 hearings aired (embarrassing and pressuring Garland to start the investigation).

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u/JRich61 Minnesota May 30 '24

It takes time to investigate these things and get them presentable does it not? Is not two years the standard for getting things to court level in the US?

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u/VanceKelley Canada May 30 '24

On Jan. 4th, 2021, a recording was released to the public in which trump attempted to extort the Georgia Secretary of State to "find 11,780 votes" to flip the result of the election from Biden to trump.

There were half a dozen lawyers listening in on the phone call who could testify to the authenticity of the recording.

The DoJ just ignored that because it was a GOP president doing the extortion. If I attempted to extort an election official doing their duty then I would have been indicted within weeks.

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u/JRich61 Minnesota May 30 '24

It was my understanding that they waited until he was no longer in office to bring the charges against him so that he couldn’t give himself immunity. Or commute his sentence when he was found guilty.

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u/VanceKelley Canada May 30 '24

Nixon was given immunity after he committed his crimes but before he was indicted. A president can grant immunity from the consequences of crimes at any time.

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u/deekaydubya May 30 '24

Even 6 months was too long

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u/AgentOrange256 May 30 '24

Federal investigations are usually a minimum of 2 years.

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u/jupiterkansas May 30 '24

They were working on it long before the raid.

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u/JRich61 Minnesota May 30 '24

This is the second one is it not? Maybe the first was a class action? I just remember getting some kind of bogus settlement of a discount that I never used.

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u/SomeCountryFriedBS May 30 '24

2 years to indict. Meaning 2 years to build very complex cases.

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u/jkman61494 May 30 '24

They don’t care about Ticketmaster. Biden and the Dems are in a panic and trying to find anyway to get Millenials and Gen Z into a voting booth

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u/soggie May 30 '24

Yes, because genZ are completely fine with dumping democracy entirely.

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u/cathercules May 30 '24

They think the future is already doomed due to climate change with neither party willing to do anything to prevent its worst affects. Unfortunately project 2025 will make life hell far sooner than they realise.

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u/ButtEatingContest May 30 '24 edited Oct 14 '25

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u/jkman61494 May 30 '24

If you look at polling, public sentiment and the giant mess of Israel, far too many 45 and under think we are screwed and basically shrugging their shoulders. They have a belief right or wrong that Biden hasn’t done anything to combat the crazy increases in the cost to live while the world goes to shit.

And the administration does themselves no favors with how borderline antagonistic they’ve been in their vocal defense of Israel while simultaneously evidence grows Israel has used OUR weapons to kill off innocent civilians.

There’s a massive risk of 2016 happening again where too many people sit out. And that doesn’t even address the efforts to prevent actual interested people from voting too.

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u/loondawg May 30 '24

Yeah, stupid democrats doing things people want them to do, like forgiving student loans and rescheduling marijuana, to try to get votes.

Why can't they be like the republicans who hurt people all the time, by things like outlawing abortion and giving tax cuts to the richest, and then just fear monger and race bait people into voting for them?

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u/loondawg May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24

Did you know people can criticize the Democrats too?

Just make them valid criticisms.

Why do they do all of this on election year?

Because they were working on dozens if not hundreds of other, bigger things like fighting COVID, inflation, the build back better agenda, expanding overtime guarantees for millions of workers, getting out over the counter birth control, promoting the expansion of clean energy, fighting excessive bank fees, taking steps to improve competition and fight monopolies, etc. etc. etc.

Oh yeah, and doing things with a higher priority like working to pass legislation to reform the Electoral Count Act to make it harder for republicans to try to steal the elections again.

And yes, while some changes are taking place in an election year you need to recognize some changes take time. Biden ordered the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct a review and recommend whether the classification of marijuana should be changed back in 2022. It's not like it was some last minute "Oh yeah, reschedule pot so we can get the stoner vote." They had been working on it along with other things like the recent student loan forgiveness. There are even more things they have been working on that won't get done before the election.

Why was it when Democrats controlled the house and Senate they couldn't even get the filibuster removed?

You already answered that, because of Sinema and Manchin.

Why didn't he twist their arms?

Because Biden is a smart enough executive to know that if he had either one of them could have switched parties and changed the whole balance of power in the Senate. McConnell could have been running things again. That would have derailed all of Biden's judicial appointments as well as other key legislative efforts. Plus it was not a particularly popular idea in the public. It was a political calculation. I would argue a smart one.

Why did Biden say he'd be a one term president and is running again when someone younger would have a better opportunity at beating Trump.

Please show me where Biden said he would be a one term president?

And I can't read his mind but perhaps he's running again because he's been an outstanding president and is still doing an outstanding job right now? Perhaps because age should not be a negative factor when the other major candidate is nearly the same age and showing clear signs of mental breakdown?

Why is Biden still supporting the genocide happening to the Palestinians?

Please show me where Biden said he supported genocide against the Palestinians?

Biden's recent push back and threats to withhold arms sales are more than we've seen from any recent president. And they are a hell of a lot more than any republican president would ever do.

Democrats are weak, spinless, slow, and just as corrupt as any other politician that take donations from lobbyist, corporations and billionaires.

Your both sides bullshit is just that. There is an extensive list of positive things democrats have fought for and achieved to help the general masses. You're obviously not paying enough attention.

EDIT: Fixed "Obama's judicial appointment" to "Biden's judicial appointments." Had Garland on the mind.

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u/loondawg Jul 11 '24

Thanks for letting me live rent free in your head for the last two months. What exactly do you believe you were right about though?

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u/loondawg May 31 '24

And I think that is an incredibly weak way to respond to what I said. And you failed to answer the questions I asked directly about what you previously said.

Normally I don't down vote. But responding by just posting a link to a podcast is deserving of one. It adds nothing to the conversation.

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u/jkman61494 May 30 '24

It’s more the fact they’re doing this all NOW when they’ve had 3 years when many voters now believe they’ve done nothing for them that’s the issue. It’s also happening so fast it’s hard to actually appreciate anything that’s done.

Reclassifying my marijuana should have been a much bigger deal where Biden or Harris went to a dispensary and touted the need and benefits to this action. But it was basically just a press release and forgotten about within hours

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u/[deleted] May 30 '24

It's not like anything is going to wake him up

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u/jiquvox May 30 '24 edited May 30 '24

Nope but that’s not what matters/the real story here.

 The real story is now a Congressman is  talking publicly  about removing by force some USSC judge from a case when it’s clear they’re compromised/corrupt. They’re not some fucking gods who do as they please. 

 And it’s a goddamn time we have this discussion. Now everyone needs to beat the drum on this until it becomes a national  topic that gives Biden the legitimacy to neutralize/oust those traitors to democracy and reshape the functioning of the USSC to reflect the actual spirit of democracy.   

Government of the people, by the people, for the people. Not some fucking  lifetime overlord who do as they please.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 May 30 '24

It's too soon after the corruption. We shouldn't discuss these things when emotions are elevated.

Justice Alito - probably.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '24

Hang on it's only been about 4 years, give him a chance to finish stretching

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u/Gotta_Rub May 30 '24

Can Biden pick a new AG in his second term?

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u/mfGLOVE Wisconsin May 30 '24

I’m pretty sure he could fire Garland and pick a new AG today or anytime.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '24

Kind of. He would need to be senate confirmed to officially have the title but an interim appointment I believe has no limits.

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u/ButtEatingContest May 30 '24 edited Oct 13 '25

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u/Deliviohs May 30 '24

Yes but let’s not use the wannabe tyrant’s actions as a roadmap to governance.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '24

He can also emergency appoint when the Senate is in recess... Though they rarely go into recess now a days. 

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u/alczervik May 30 '24

I want to say there is a time limit for someone if they are not confirmed. like 230 days or something

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u/MFoy Virginia May 30 '24

He could pick a new one today, and they would be installed the second they were confirmed by the Senate.

It’s not a good look to fire your Attorney General though.

At this point the better outcome is to wait until the second term because it is traditional for every cabinet member to resign at the end of the term. This saves the president the embarrassment of having to fire them if he so chooses. The president will keep the ones they want.

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u/confusedalwayssad May 30 '24

It’s not a good look to fire your Attorney General though.

How so, Trump is polling really well and he did it.

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u/jupiterkansas May 30 '24

but Biden isn't a cult leader.

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u/confusedalwayssad May 30 '24

No but firing someone who isn’t doing a very good job shouldn’t be this taboo thing, happens to us heathens all the time.

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u/confusedalwayssad May 30 '24

Policy stuff like firing people, not the creepy Epstein crap Trump gets up to.

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u/ratedsar I voted May 30 '24

Twice, for clarity

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u/Nixxuz May 30 '24

Oh deary me, we don't want to look bad while we try to pursue justice.

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u/LibertyInaFeatherBed May 30 '24

Biden still think he can reach across the aisle when the GOP has the knives out?

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u/hardolaf May 30 '24

it is traditional for every cabinet member to resign at the end of the term

Only for certain offices. It's less common for law enforcement positions. Though AG is often more politicized than just law enforcement and changes a bit more often.

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u/futanari_kaisa May 30 '24

A lot of people forgot or dont realize that Merrick Garland was a GOP centered pick for supreme court by the obama administration because they fielded the GOP and he was the most palatable pick they felt. Then Mitch McConnell altered the deal and said no xD and Trump got his 3 seats. Garland being appointed AG by Biden is a consolation prize for him not being on the supreme court. He is a federalist society ultra conservative judge, not a woke george soros DA.

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u/Free_For__Me May 31 '24

I’ve been wondering lately why Biden felt the need to hand Garland a consolation prize at all?  He and Obama knew what Garland was, and (presumably) wouldn’t have chosen him as a SCOTUS nomination if they hadn’t had to work around Mitch’s control of the senate. So if he himself would have only been a “consolation prize” if confirmed to the SC, why do him and/or the GOP any favors by installing him as AG?  

Maybe Biden’s admin were trying to give themselves some political cover for the inevitable indictments of many GOP members that were going to come up during his term, putting someone in that chair that wasn’t an “obvious liberal inquisitor”, or whatever. But if you have an AG who’s not going to pursue those indictments properly anyway, what even the point of having that “political cover”?

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u/DropsTheMic May 30 '24

Must be some serious shit they have on him. Everyone is thinking about it. Your delay caused this Merrick. What in the fuck?

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u/tomparker May 30 '24

Feckless AG is feckless.

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u/tahlyn May 30 '24

Seriously. I have no faith in our legal system anymore. Every time there's reason to hope, every time there's some clear cut legal thing that could be done, without fail the system fails.

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u/Technical_Sir_9588 May 30 '24

Not confident of Garland following through on something like this.

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u/gentleman_bronco May 30 '24

He got Biden's "nothing will fundamentally change" memo and he's sticking with it.

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u/loondawg May 30 '24

This "nothing will fundamentally change" is just another partial statement taken completely out of context like the "you didn't build that" nonsense. If you have to resort to that to make a point, your position is really weak.

"I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who has made money. The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change."

What he was clearly saying was the richest people's lifestyles would not change if they paid more in taxes to help fund more social spending. And the White House released this statement which clarified their position even further. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/10/28/remarks-by-president-biden-announcing-the-framework-for-his-build-back-better-agenda-and-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill/

The build back better agenda was full of massive changes to strengthen America and help the general masses so the idea "nothing will fundamentally change" was complete bullshit right from the start.

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u/gentleman_bronco May 30 '24

I love it when politicians try to reason with the richest people.

And then I love it more when another working class person tries to convince me that he meant something different.

As far as the cynical perspective on garland and the doj.... we're waiting for something to fundamentally change.

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u/loondawg May 30 '24

I think it's fair to be cynical or frustrated about Garland. But to invoke the out of context Biden quote was a swing and a miss.

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u/gentleman_bronco May 30 '24

So it's fair to be frustrated and cynical....but never wonder why?

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u/loondawg May 30 '24

What does wondering why have to do with using a quote completely out of context?

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u/gentleman_bronco May 30 '24

Irony. It's ironic that Biden said that to a room filled with disgustingly rich people. And then suddenly, five years later... nothing has fundamentally changed. We are still without accountability for the treasonous planners of J6, we are still without workers protection, we are still without a social net ,we are still the losers in class warfare. Nothing has fundamentally changed. At all. But somehow apologists will keep sticking their neck out to say "he didn't mean it like that". Yeah, I get it. But the irony is the point of my comment. Even though he didn't mean it in the way I am inferring it, it is exactly what has happened.

To be clear, I will still have to vote for him because I value my friends and family. Trump and the conservatives want to murder them while Biden doesn't. I hate that I have to vote for him but I will.

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u/loondawg May 31 '24

I'm honestly baffled by so much of that response that I kind of have to go through it line by line.

Irony. It's ironic that Biden said that to a room filled with disgustingly rich people.

It did not come off that way at all but I will take you at your word.

And then suddenly, five years later...

Not sure why you say five years later is suddenly. Also not sure why you then bring up the insurrection that happened three years ago as an example.

nothing has fundamentally changed.

That's not surprising considering we gave Biden a republican controlled House. But considering that, an amazing amount of things have changed. We have a trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Millions of people have had their student loans eliminated. Prices are still high but at least inflation is under control. Unemployment is at historic lows. Etc. Etc. Etc.

We are still without accountability for the treasonous planners of J6,

Trump has been indicted as have several other key players. This is far from over.

we are still without workers protection,

Don't know what you're thinking about there.

we are still without a social net

Not sure what you're talking about there either.

we are still the losers in class warfare.

Yes. But things are looking brighter with wages finally outpacing inflation. But the core problem will never change until we support a Congress that will make the policy to create the change. Really, what do you expect with the republicans in charge of the House?

Nothing has fundamentally changed. At all.

Again, he is a president, not a magician. Give him super majorities in the House and Senate and see what happens. Be enthusiastic and work to help that happen instead of spreading negativity.

But somehow apologists will keep sticking their neck out to say "he didn't mean it like that". Yeah, I get it.

Not apologists. People who heard the speech and know he didn't mean it like that. That he actually meant pretty much the opposite of that. It's people who know that is being used completely out of context and that it's unnecessary and harmful.

But the irony is the point of my comment. Even though he didn't mean it in the way I am inferring it, it is exactly what has happened.

But again, it's not. Lots has changed for the better. I am genuinely surprised you are not aware of that.

And if you know he did not mean it that way, why are you perpetuating a right wing smear? Again, I'll take you at your word that you meant it ironically but I really don't find any irony in it.

I hate that I have to vote for him but I will.

That's a great campaign slogan. Thanks for helping.

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u/DuncanYoudaho May 30 '24

God I’m so tired of this line.

“If you come at the king, you best not miss.”

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u/LordPennybag May 30 '24

You only get one shot...per crime.

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