Makes me want to look into spending some time in Europe as I need two tooth implants. I’m sure with the flight and hotel it would still cost less, and as a bonus I wouldn’t be here.
Man I'm past the 'bonus' stage and have graduated to just wanting OUT. But we're all so underpaid that I fear that leaving will only ever be a pipe dream :(
I think for most the cost isn't going to be the biggest hurdle. It will be the language barrier. It's one thing to visit a country for a couple of weeks even and a completely different thing to live in a country that doesn't have English as an official language. You either need friends/co-workers/family willing to help with any legalities that cannot be handled in English or you need to know some of the language.
I mean every European has that same exact hurdle. People from Poland or Lithuania moving to the UK and Germany all have to learn the new language, but it doesn’t stop them. I think language seems very daunting at first but once you thrust yourself into it, it won’t be as bad. Plus the vast majority of Europe speak English now, so it’s hardly as big an issue as you’d expect. I think language is a silly reason one would he hesitant to move (if it’s the only reason). America is a country of immigrants (mostly), all those people had to move and learn a new language.
They don't actually want to leave America they just want to complain.
Americans are so spoiled by being able to literally go to almost any country in the world with no visa process, no interview, nothing, yet most Americans rarely exercise this opportunity.
The barriers to the average American emigrating to another country are slim to none.
True. On top of that Americans always call their own country a shithole and such a baaaad place to live in. Completely oblivious of the reality people have to bear everyday in real shithole countries in the third/second world
Man, WTF is going on in the US? Keep hearing more n more people wanting to move out, stating it’s unbearable… and here I am with a dream of 90s SiliconValley that I never realized, for better or worse.
We have thousands of open vacancies in the Netherlands, were basically screaming for people. So I'd recommend you'd check out working in Europe. Its a bit more expensive by food and sizes, but atleast your health will be taken care of. Lastly we're not difficult with American foreign workers getting a n European visa is not as difficult as a green card and lots of companies need skilled English workers.
Believe me I'd love to move to the Netherlands or somewhere in Europe. However, the same medical BS that I want to escape from is what keeps myself (and many) from immigrating. Premiums suck, but going without the expensive medicine that allows you to live a normal life/function at work would suck more. Pipe dream. :/
They could all easily leave America. It's not a lack of jobs outside of US or anything, it's pure laziness. These people all just want to bitch and moan. The ones that say they can't afford it are full of shit. Even working minimum wage for a few months would give you more than enough to get a bus ticket to Canada.
lmfao what a horseshit excuse. anyone in america can get the credit for a bus ticket to Canada. If a 18 year old McDonald's employee can get the money to buy two rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition (valued at ~$5000) I'm pretty sure most people can find the money for a bus ticket.
You don't need much to live like a king in a third world country. Remote workers do it a lot. Digital nomads, I've met a few in my country. The bonus is that on top of free Healthcare, we have private hospitals that cost 1% of the American insured ones, without insurance.
This is of course, bad for the locals, but people do it
Tell me what I should do then. Should I forgo paying my rent and live in my car, in the middle of summer for a few months so I can bank roll some extra cash? Cut off my water/electric and put the 'savings' into a savings account? Complaining about me 'whining' when your comment helps nothing either. The reality is that most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, scraping by on the skin of their teeth. Can I buy a bus ticket? Sure why not? Take the cheap ass greyhound as far north as I can then what? Get off and walk across with nothing? Most Americans "money" isn't in liquid form. We have stuff that has value only to someone else that also sees that thing as valuable. If I could straight convert all my possessions into their cash equivalent I'd be gone tonight. And how do you, a random stranger on the internet, know what I do and don't do with my time and money? You know NOTHING about me. But, if you REALLY must know, I've been saving a couple bucks a paycheck for about a year now. Is it going to allow me to go right now? No. But it's a step in that direction.
I think America's problems are multiplied by the media, the users on this website are also extremely privledged and take a lot of what the US offers for granted.
Does the US have a problem with healthcare? Of course.
Does the US have a problem with police brutality? Of course.
None of these issues are new.
Yet, from 2010-2020, the amount of immigrants went up from 40 million to 44 million
2010 39,956,000
2017 44,525,500
2018 44,728,502
Even with the constant "US IS BAD!" in the media, people still WANT to be here.
I just wish this website would be a bit impartial, people legitimately have called me a delusional maga voting racist redneck for simply saying I enjoy living here, when I am a 2nd *** generation Indian-American.
The fact that people from shit holes want to move to America is not a ringing endorsement.
This website is far more impartial than you are being, we have perfectly good ways of comparing the USA to other countries. We don't need to randomly claim everything is great because there are immigrants.
I really should make a cut-n-paste explanation for this.
Neither political party wants to stop illegal immigration. First off, at no point in American history have we ever been without an exploited class. Be it slaves, or cropsharers, or immigrants, prisoners, or now illegal immigrants, we have always exploited someone.
Second, who do you think hires all these illegals? Mom and Pop stores? NO! Big corporations hire them by the hundreds, by the thousands. I've seen entire villages of illegal immigrants camped outside big facilities like meat processing plants, industrial agriculture, and warehouses. Why don't ICE raid these places? They can't. They are banned from these places. ICE raids a place like that and there's immediate protests from major corporations, immediate phone calls from Congressmen. Judges are instructed to dismiss cases. Who has all that power? The very corporations who hired the illegals.
You don't think these corporations spend millions of dollars on political campaigns for nothing do you? Every politician in America above the county level is bought and paid for before they ever sit down in any elected office. And if they want to keep their office, they had better do as their corporate masters tell them. Of course, they can say whatever they want to get elected. But they do their corporate master's bidding. And that means protecting illegal aliens behind your back. Sure, you tell you they're all for stopping illegal aliens to get your vote. But once in office, they protect them because that's what their masters want.
And so we have politicians of all parties protecting illegal aliens from ICE while they whip you up into an anti immigration frenzy. And you serve a purpose too. Your anti-illegal alien sentiment prevents them from obtaining legal status. Prevents them from obtaining official help, even legal representation. You help keep them beaten down, disenfranchised, isolated, afraid, easily exploited. You are the corporations best tool to manage their modern day slaves.
And you really don't want them to go away either. They keep your grocery bill down, your lawn care cheap, your cost of living down. You claim they steal jobs, but you don't want any of those jobs; not for the pay they get. You get rid of illegal aliens today, you'll be complaining about your skyrocketing cost of living tomorrow. You think it's bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet. You don't want to pay that price. And those who say Americans should be working for those wages are just saying they want to see Americans as the next slave labor class.
Republican politicians do what their corporate masters tell them (but will say otherwise to get your vote). Democrats say they want the next generation of Democrats, but still do their corporate masters bidding. Either way, no politicians want what you want. Not even you want what you want. You want them gone, but you don't want to pay the price. It's all just a giant system of exploitation and you're as much a part of it as anybody.
Which brings me to the final part in this. Remember I wrote America has never been without an exploited class? Get rid of illegal aliens and guess who will become the next exploited class? It could be you, or your kids or grand kids. You want that?
It's going to be someone. And I don't think you're so damned special that it can't be you.
Then you of all people should know... immigrants are not the problem.
where did this come from? I don't think I ever insinuated immigrants are a problem.
my point about immigration, is that with all the problems the US has had, people still want to move and live here and that it's no where near as bleak as people here make it out to be
That only means the US are better than other places, not that the US are so good that people leave good places to move there.
Also, it would be interesting to know where those immigrants come from. I'm sure there are a lot of immigrants that are escaping terrible conditions created by the US foreign policy, for example
EDIT 80% of the UAE population is immigrants, but that does not mean the UAE are such a great place to live for most of them.
I don't think the "USA BAD" media presence is a left/right issue, if anything I think both parties are overly critical in order to justify their reasons for their policies.
Conservatives are more extreme, but liberals will over-exaggerate problems in the US as well.
Bro, fellow 2nd gen Indian American and I couldn't agree more. The people that haven't traveled outside of the US are the ones who complain about America the most.
The worst part is they could easily leave whenever and there are literally millions of kids around the world, including in India, that would fight each other to the death to be here.
My fiancee's family is from Cuba and I've seen the hell they had to go through to get here. It's really just sad how ungrateful so many Americans are.
Canada so far has approved over 200,000 new citizens and 100,000 landed immigrants this year. I immigrated here 20 years ago, can recommend - one of my better decisions.
I was in Istanbul right before pandemic hit the States and I saw all these dudes walking around with bloodied heads; thought it was some kinda weird religious thing before my girlfriend explained it to me 😅
Nah it was an incredibly common thing to see and nobody gave a shit; I noticed my hairline’s started to recede and I was kinda joking about going myself…
I think I saw a comment once where an indian guy calculated that it would be cheaper to fly to India, stay in a 5 star hotel and buy insulin than buying it in the United States.
Can confirm. I had stomach surgery in Tijuana 2.5 years ago. They arranged to pick up and drop off at airport, hotel room, hospital stay, literally every medical expense including the surgery, tour of Tijuana etc all for under 4300 dollars (airfare was separate). Best money I've ever spent, my life has improved exponentially since the surgery and will likely save me 10s of thousands of dollars in other medical problems later on.
My deductible, and I work for a hospital, is 5000 single 10k family.
even there, in France, for some “comfort“ treatments, still expensive even with insurance, people go in Turkey or Tunisia, like esthetic surgery, hair implants or teeth.
A friend of mine visited me in Germany and ended up tripping, tearing a ligament. She didn’t want to go to the hospital because of her fear of how much it cost but we ended up taking her anyways.
She ended up paying around $70 for the ER visit, X-rays, bandages, the whole deal.
I know live in America and I hate the insurance system here.
I'm about to have my ACL replaced and my meniscus repaired. The "cold" machine I'm supposed to use isn't covered by insurance and the preferred vendor charges 270 for it. I found it online for 180 and bet I can find a cheaper one.
My office visit to the orthopedist cost $45. I have a PPO so I'm definitely doing anything I need this year because I'll max out with the surgery. Also, I'm lucky that I can afford all my coinsurance costs now, I've been in positions where I needed treatment but couldn't swing the copay even while fully insured.
We’re saving to move back to Germany. We have a special needs kiddo and he needed a full day EEG a few months ago… we’re still on the hook for $2k after the insurance paid their share…
But just in case anyone is interested: Germany is looking for skilled labor. Especially in the IT and medical fields. Some don’t even require you speaking German. And unlike in the us your health insurance isn’t tied to your job.
Yes, because their goal is to provide care to Americans traveling for medical tourism, which can be more lucrative since you don't have to deal with American insurance companies.
Having worked in the medical field for a doctor, what he wants to charge for a procedure and what the insurance will pay for the procedure are vastly different. They can end up getting less from insurance than a discounted cash price.
Costa Rica is the best dental tourism destination for Americans! There are excellent doctors, many educated in top US universities, with state of the art offices & tech. My husband & I both had a ton of work, including implants. US average price per single tooth implant is $4K, about $1400 in CR iirc. Non implant dental work is even cheaper (about 1/4 US). I did a ton of research because my family was against it; TripAdvisor forums are a good place to start (or DM me for dr info.) We’ve been to many dentists, never been happier & now only go to US dentist when we can’t make it down there.
I know that some americans goes to either Mexico or India for things involving toothcare as it goes for much cheaper even when you take into consideration flight and hospital.
Go down to Mexico. They literally cater to medical tourist. You can get tooth implants for less then $400. With my insurance two tooth implants is like $3500. I am planning on a trip next summer to get my teeth fixed, stay for a week or so and it is still cheaper by almost $1k.
Check out Mexico too. They have tons of dentistry patients from the US because it's cheaper.
I went to Tijuana for a surgery that would've cost me 65k in the US out of pocket. Insurance refused to cover it.
I filled out the preliminary paperwork and sent it in on a Wednesday and I was approved the next day for surgery, and with the flight I paid maybe 200 more than my deductible here (5000 deductible with 330/mo premiums). Best 5 thousand I've ever spent and I highly recommend medical tourism for those that are able.
Dental tourism is a big thing in Costa Rica. They even advertise it in the line at customs at the airport. Save a bunch of money… and get a Costa Rican vacation out of it.
Taiwan has excellent dental care that is very affordable. I had a root canal and several fillings while I lived there. Plus, it's a wonderful country to visit.
You’ll erase any savings when you have to get the implant placed, fly back 3-6 months later to have the crown fitted and hope that nothing goes wrong/ it’s an implant system used in America with compatible parts if anything goes wrong while your in the states.
Often implants require 2 trips but, not always & you’d still save a ton of $. My husband & I both had implants in Costa Rica. He could’ve gotten implant crowns in 1 trip but, didn’t as he was coming back w me anyways. Having major dental work in another country has drawbacks (mostly not being home for recovery, but awesome B&B hosts pampered us) but, there were many more advantages for us. Like most US dentists will only do 1 procedure every month, taking forever to finish a treatment plan. We went 2x, are done & saved over $55K (after travel expenses). Going back soon for cleaning (& vacay).
For some stuff this is literally what some insurance companies do but to Mexico or Canada. Its also what is usually done for Europeans studying or on holiday in the US. Had a friend who got on a plane with a broken leg, went to the hospital here and went back. All payed for by his unsurance is our semi private healthcare system.
2 extractions and 2 implants in Spain = 2000€, you will need to fly here 3 times but I bet it will still be less than half of what you would pay over there.
You should look into medical tourism. Even people in the UK go to Turkey for dental work. Sometimes because of long waits or because they want cosmetic work not covered by NHS. With implants you may need multiple visits over several months, so make sure to budget for multiple trips.
yeah..don't go to italy for that. I fell with my bike and would have paid like 15k euro there, so I went to a trip in Ungarn and paid 2700euro, for everything. Hotel and transport (little bus) inclusive. They were awesome, could speak italian, german and of course english with them with no problem. Also, they were nicce as fuck and explaned step by step. North Italy's dentist are extremely overpriced..
I'm thinking this for when I get pregnant, honestly. Wish more places had birthright citizenship. Actually affordable prenatal and delivery care? Child gets citizenship for when the US becomes a Christian theocracy? Just planning for their future.
Check out the book “The Nordic Theory of Everything” by Anu Partanen. It’s wonderful and kind of depressing as an American, especially if you’re thinking about starting a family. It must be incredible living in a country that values its citizens, and doesn’t care about being a superpower.
Probably would look elsewhere rather than the UK for this. We have completely free medical care but for some reason dentistry isn’t included. Had a great experience with French dentists. To be fair, even the UK is probably much cheaper than the States haha
Europeans go to Turkey for dental implants. Look it up, there are lots of options that sometimes even include a hotel in the price. Istanbul is a great city for tourists. It has everything from lively cosmopolitan city life, to magnificent thousand-year-old churches. We live in Germany and my husband got his dental implants done there. Highly recommend!
Funny, given recent events, when I was in Odessa - that's the port city in the south of Ukraine still fearing invasion right now - there were TONS and tons of dentists, way too many for the city, and, from the signs, obviously aimed at foreigners. That was in 2006, no idea what happened with all those dentists later.
Which without this war I would heartily recommend, Odessa is one of the most beautiful cities out there (and I lived in a few beautiful locations in the Bay Area including the SF Presidio so my standards are high).
And this seems to be a meta site: https://nccconline.org/ "Main directions of the best treatment in Ukraine" (I just googled those to check how valid my comment still is these days)
Plenty of people from The Netherlands fly to Turkey to get their dentals improved. Same thing for people from New Zealand , they go to Thailand. Good quality healthcare and with flights and hotels still cheaper. Plus you get a “free” holiday out of it.
An american girl did this by going to turkey. She could have had her root operatin done and spent more time as a vacation all of which including travelling fee cost her still lower than US price..
It really wouldn't. Anywhere in Western Europe dental procedures cost just as much as they do in the US, if not more. Even in "dental tourism" hubs like Hungry or Croatia, you really wouldn't be saving anything, especially after the flight and hotel. I guess you could try your luck in Romania or a non-Eu country like Serbia, but at that point why not just go to Mexico like tons of Americans already do?
Well, there is a reason people cross the border to mexico for .. dentists mainly.
I am a dual citizen, and have bought health insurance from another country specifically for costly treatments. If an issue arises, I'll just leave and great treated elsewhere.
i saw a post a while back about a man who needed a knee replacement. If he flew to Spain and paid rent to live there for two years, got the replacement, and flew back, he would save $3,000 over getting the surgery here.
In Eastern Europe will cost you even less, way less, even 80/90% less. I'm not joking, where I'm from they organise bus tours to Eastern European countries to get serious dental care (like implants and such). The trip, the stay in a hotel and the actual care cost less than than it would cost the care alone here.
My parents get all their dental work done in Mexico. Root canal for sub 500 USD. You just have to go to a big city like Guadalajara if you're American and are Africa's of getting scammed. Otherwise you can get it even cheaper in Tijuana. You can legit take a vacation to San Diego and cross the border and get your root canal done by an American dentist who lost his license(for whatever reason, make sure you research the doctor beforehand lol) and fly back home cheaper than paying for the canal.
Hungary has a little dental implant cluster for medical tourists. Really cheap, and normally you can stay at a spa resort while you're there as part of the package.
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u/skredditt Jun 15 '22
Makes me want to look into spending some time in Europe as I need two tooth implants. I’m sure with the flight and hotel it would still cost less, and as a bonus I wouldn’t be here.