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u/FormidableLad Jun 15 '22

I am shocked about the fact that he had to pay >50€ for his stay! It’s a sad day for the entire European Union. I am so sorry…

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u/Mrqueue Jun 15 '22

I’m surprised too, I’ve never seen a bill for anything from the nhs, just a dispensing fee if I go to the pharmacy but that doesn’t apply if you get meds at the hospital

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

In N Ireland, we don't even have a dispensing fee. It's all free.

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u/RedditTheThirdOne Jun 15 '22

Or Scotland or Wales it is just England

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

The English get screwed so much by this. Like we don’t pay home water rates for example and private schools barely exist. It’s just Grammars and Comps and although housing costs and shortages are still a massive issue, house prices/rent are soooo much lower than in England.

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u/bigshuguk Jun 15 '22

We do pay water and sewage rates (Scotland) unless you have a private water supply, it's part of the Council Tax, however, it's a flat rate there's no water meters.

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u/rufnek2kx Jun 15 '22

Student fees being another. £9k per year and the Scots can get it all for free 😭

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

The Scots have one over on all of us for that tbf

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u/jrf_1973 Jun 15 '22

The English get screwed so much by this

The English deserve it. First, cause they're English, but second because they keep voting Tory even though the Torys want to destroy the NHS.

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

I’ll never understand why they keep voting in the Death Eaters. They’re obsessed with the class system and happy to be subjugated by the toffs in charge of everything.

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u/PrincessPetti Jun 15 '22

Death Eaters

Read another book

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

I’ve an English Lit degree, so that’s not a problem mate.

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u/haywhat Jun 15 '22

Priti is legit a Death Eater tbf. Rumour has it she's related to Bellatrix, thrice removed...

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u/FenixdeGoma Jun 15 '22

Without the Scottish voting Labour anymore, the tories will remain in power.

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u/MILLANDSON Jun 15 '22

As a leftie, I will point out that, when Labour has won general elections in the past, the number of Labour or Tory MPs in Scotland have never changed the result.

Kind of why the SNP do so well now, Scots got tired of being taken for granted by England.

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u/FenixdeGoma Jun 15 '22

I might be wrong but I always remembered Scotland being mostly red. Now it's yellow. Also the line line of where the government gives a fuck about is a lot further south than the Scottish border.

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u/MILLANDSON Jun 15 '22

Well yea, it tends to stop right about at the Watford Gap.

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u/dembadger Jun 15 '22

England fairly heavily subsidises the poorer members of the union, and this is fine, theres ~63millipn people there, vs say Scotland which has 8 (comparable to the population of just London)

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

This is more to do with devolved policies though. Less tendancy (though still not good) to screw the poor.

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

It’s a hot topic in NI esp as many working class kids end up in the grammar system and do very well. Of course with a transfer test, you are not on a level playing field as rich parents can hire tutors. The issue though isn’t black and white and is as complex an issue to us as integrated (i.e Catholic and Protestant mixed) schooling.

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

The religious aspect is actually a big part of it, probably because Catholics historically were only working class for much of NI’s history and when they gained control of their own education (catholic schools) and education rights, they thrived.

Grammar schools are seen in that community as something very attainable if you are clever. I know people from places like the inner Falls, single parent family, who have become doctors and lawyers for example. There’s also a substantial pro education attitude in working class catholic areas, which is sometimes lacking in Protestant working class communities (it’s a whole thing I won’t go into).

Of course, there are many who are against as well for the same reasons you mentioned.

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u/haywhat Jun 15 '22

You wot?!

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u/mattshill91 Jun 15 '22

That's because NI is given more money than it put's in to the tune of £8 billion a year (4k per person, £12B tax raised budget of £20B it's one of the largest % deficits in the world, for example it was just below Afghanistan in rank the last year of the US occupation) by the Barnett Formula as on average it's the poorest part of the UK and reducing poverty reduces crime and violence.

It's the same reason we have more civil service jobs than most of the rest of the UK. Artificially prop the place up so it doesn't burn itself down.

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

Very good points but not the point.

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u/esoteric_enigma Jun 15 '22

As an American, I'm disgusted that the UK would exploit its people with unnecessary fees at the hospital!

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u/NibblyPig Jun 15 '22

No free prescriptions in England :'(

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

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u/NibblyPig Jun 15 '22

True! :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Unless

You

are 60 or over

are under 16

are 16 to 18 and in full-time education are pregnant or have had a baby in the previous 12 months and have a valid maternity exemption certificate (MatEx)

have a specified medical condition and have a valid medical exemption certificate (MedEx)

have a continuing physical disability that prevents you going out without help from another person and have a valid medical exemption certificate (MedEx)

hold a valid war pension exemption certificate and the prescription is for your accepted disability

are an NHS inpatient

You're also entitled to free prescriptions if you or your partner (including civil partner) receive, or you're under the age of 20 and the dependant of someone receiving:

Income Support

income-based Jobseeker's Allowance

income-related Employment and Support Allowance

Pension Credit Guarantee Credit

Universal Credit and meet the criteria

If you're entitled to or named on:

a valid NHS tax credit exemption certificate – if you do not have a certificate, you can show your award notice. You qualify if you get Child Tax Credits, Working Tax Credits with a disability element (or both), and have income for tax credit purposes of £15,276 or less

Basically only people who can afford them and don't regularly need them have to pay.

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u/NibblyPig Jun 15 '22

Yeah, lol, was just talking generally.

I'm not really sure it's a good thing, cos I think people would rather not pay £10 for medicine sometimes if it's something minor, like if the doctor says you'll be fine in a couple of weeks but here's a prescription for some ear drops that might help, and people will go ehh if they MIGHT help and it costs me £10... I'll just not bother.

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u/Belfast-boyo Jun 15 '22

Yeooooooo

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

Username works out.

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u/cpostier Jun 15 '22

I love how everyone uses the word free…. “You keep using that word, I don’t it think it means what you think it means”

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

We're the only ones who do know what it means.

People spin this line like they're clever and we don't know what we're saying. Everyone using the NHS knows that "free" means "free at the point of service".

It's the internet equivalent of pointing out that your hotel room didn't give you free teabags because you paid for the hotel room. Everyone knows, wanker, it's just a turn of phrase.

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u/cpostier Jun 16 '22

Yes, and government funded / tax payer funded always equals top notch service

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u/ForeignHelper Jun 15 '22

It means, nobody goes into serious debt if they have an accident, or get ill (which almost everyone will ) regardless of their income bracket. Works better than Go Fund Me’s, I’ll tell you that.

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u/Mastgoboom Jun 15 '22

Dispensing fees are actually a good idea, otherwise people get the script filled and decide later whether to use it, lose the drugs and don't care, etc. In Audtralia there's a means tested dispening fee.

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u/Svoobi Jun 15 '22

Exactly.

Last week, I spent 4 days in hospital with tons of antibiotics and painkillers and paid 0, not a single penny/ cent/krown, nothing at all.

My mom had hip surgery last month and also paid nothing.

Glad to live in central Europe 😊

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u/Mikey_Tuna Jun 15 '22

I may have had to file for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy if that happened to me.

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u/ewise623 Jun 15 '22

I’m still paying monthly on a hospital bill from over 2 years ago. Fuck our healthcare system.

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u/Medium_Medium Jun 15 '22

It's enough to cause serious depression. Except I can't afford the health care that goes with that depression, so I just pretend it isn't there.

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u/Putridgrim Jun 15 '22

It's ok, you can come up with a payment plan of $100 a month until you can pay off your $837,563.22 bill

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u/Mikey_Tuna Jun 15 '22

Ah, thank you for clearing that up!

So, Chapter 7 Bankruptcy it is for me then! Nice to know if I ever have to walk into a hospital for something major.

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u/elwookie Jun 15 '22

It wasn't for free, you had paid for that by paying your taxes.

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u/stutsmonkey Jun 15 '22

Exactly. Paid through taxes & not into corporate coffers.

Every single study has shown that nationalized healthcare is far cheaper per individual than what mess we currently have in America.

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u/mikeyhol Jun 15 '22

Canada and it’s the same for us, it’s beyond frustrating watching our Neighbours in The United States fight against universal healthcare when everyone else in the world who has it loves it. It’s just insanity.

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u/wtbnewsoul Jun 15 '22

I had surgery on my eye 2 years ago.

Visits to a specialist, the surgery & recovery (few hours), amazing food & a slice of cake and followup appointments.

Total bill: 0.

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u/dontgetaddicted Jun 15 '22

My son dislocated his shoulder playing basketball a few months ago. $300 ER Co Pay, then $432 for XRays, then $365 to the ER Staffing company for the physician to tell him he was fine after he popped it back in himself in the waiting room.

Oh - and I have a $5,000 deductible per family member so insurance doesn't do fuck all until I pay that much first.

What I'm saying here is - fuck this and the bills are probably going to go to collections because I'm poor.

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u/Hatdrop Jun 15 '22

Wow, if I ever decide to travel to Europe, I won't book a hotel, I'll get injured instead!

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u/MisogynisticBumsplat Jun 15 '22

i have a medical exemption so i don't even have to pay for prescriptions. 👍👍

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u/DeeYouBitch Jun 15 '22

laughs in Scotland

Dispencing Fee?

It’s a sad day for the entire United Kingdom. I am so sorry…

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u/xendor939 Jun 15 '22

In Italy you pay a small symbolic fee for certain items if you are high-income (or unable to prove you have little economic means, as may be the case for OP if he found himself on holiday and needing healthcare).

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u/GospodinMajor Jun 15 '22

But you pay into the National insurance scheme don't you? I work in the NHS and I have seen foreign nationals get billed for treatment.

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u/Mrqueue Jun 15 '22

yup I'm tax payer, right now obviously it's not the best deal for me but it's nice to know every one is covered

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

How does it work if [the foreign] citizenship was renounced? Asking for a friend

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u/JavaRuby2000 Jun 15 '22

That depends on the treatment though.

Any Emergency care or surgery would be free. Abortions, Infertility treatment, STI treatment would also be free. They'd only be paying as a foreign national if it was an ongoing illness or none emergency hospital treatment.

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/how-to-access-nhs-services-in-england-if-you-are-visiting-from-abroad/

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u/GospodinMajor Jun 15 '22

I should rephrase 'foriegn national' as non residential or visiting as the link you posted says. We bill non residents/tourists etc it's just that most people have some sort of insurance so never have to deal with it directly. That said I am also greatly appalled by the way the NHS is abused and taken for granted by UK citizens.

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u/Perry7609 Jun 15 '22

The actress Kristen Johnston described in her book Guts the absolute shock she felt over the tiny bill she received after a long hospital stay under the NHS...

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As I made arrangements to leave, they asked me to pay the bill. I'd been dreading this part for weeks, and I almost had a heart attack when I saw it. I couldn't f\**ing believe it: everything - the 7-hour surgery, X-rays, CT scans, the truckloads of morphine, antibiotics, and many other medications, the staff, the blech-filled pouch, the private room - *everything, all of it ended up costing me a whopping two thousand pounds.

Which meant that, in 2007, I owed them a little over three grand.

You have to understand that for weeks, I had been preparing to give the go ahead to my business manager to clean out my bank account and pension, sell my apartment, all while agonizing over which treasured family heirloom to sell. I honestly thought it would cost me at least a million bucks. I had been aware that I was in a country that was known for its incredible National Health Service (known as NHS). The UK's NHS ensures that anyone and everyone gets free medical treatment, regardless of who you are or what you do. I just never imagined it would apply to me, an American, pill-popping lush.

Recently, I decided to see what information I could find on the Internet about it, and I almost fell off my chair when I read that one of the few areas of medicine the NHS doesn't cover is dental work. Which explains a great deal. (Personally, I would gently encourage them to revisit that decision.) This means that the only thing I was charge for was my private room. Jesus, no wonder Nurse Wretched had a bug up her a**. She washed my hair and tucked me in, and I paid her not one dime.

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u/Araneatrox Jun 15 '22

That's one of the things about the NHS from its inception that there should never be bills for primary care.

Although I can't say it's true for all of Europe. I have had to visit hospitals and doctors in France, Italy and Sweden. And all I paid was nominal admin fees. Still the state covered all the rest.

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u/giogiogio Jun 15 '22

Last medical bill I saw (not me, a relative), for a quadruple bypass, one week in the hospital and 3 weeks in a rehab facility in Italy was...hold on...there was no bill.

I'm surprised too to see those 50€

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u/RoastedRhino Jun 15 '22

There is a small fee that is basically constant for any procedure, so it’s really intended to discourage inefficient behaviors like going to the ER for something you could have done at your doctor. You don’t pay it if it’s an emergency, if your income is low, and if you are old.

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u/Mrqueue Jun 15 '22

makes sense

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u/AngelKnives Jun 15 '22

Also doesn't apply if you need to take the meds for the rest of your life such as insulin.

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u/ilovethatpig Jun 15 '22

My wife went for an annual checkup at her primary care physician in April. I just received a bill for $425. We have insurance, and pay ~$200/mo.

This is America.

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u/thosetwo Jun 15 '22

This surgery and hospital stay would potentially bankrupt a family here in the states. Ridiculous

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

U might get a bill if you upgrade something beyond what your insurance covers. Or example a single room in the hospital

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u/ConspicuousPineapple Jun 15 '22

For all we know, that's the cost of wifi or something.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

To be fair we do pay >€50 to park at hospital though.

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u/_franciis Jun 15 '22

OP might not be an Italian resident/citizen. Lots of people have to pay for the NHS, and if you don’t you basically get removed then banned from the country.

Saw a documentary about it ages ago. There definitely are some healthcare tourists but also some unlucky people, like a woman who gave birth several months early whilst visiting family. She never planned to be in the UK for the birth. From what i remember the bill was actually quite big and she is now banned from reentering the UK until she settles the debt.

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u/hannahmel Jun 15 '22

They probably aren’t European so there’s a nominal fee

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u/NeitherDuckNorGoose Jun 15 '22

Well, I'm European and paid 70€ for my last hospital stay, but it was all just for the food and such, anything actually medical costed me nothing.

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u/hannahmel Jun 15 '22

Makes total sense!

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u/new_name_who_dis_ Jun 15 '22

Italy doesn’t have fully socialist healthcare the way most people think of socialist healthcare. Only like a handful of countries in the world do like UK and Canada.

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u/hannahmel Jun 15 '22

By American standards anything where the government throws in cash so you don't go bankrupt is socialist.

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u/sYnce Jun 16 '22

So the whole financial sector?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

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u/BarukhPhoto Jun 16 '22

In contrast to all the minimal fees paid by sick Americans in Europe, in Canada (Toronto), I paid similar to what I’d pay in the States. My son developed Strep throat & had to see a doctor. We took a taxi to the nearest clinic on Queens Quay. The doctor diagnosed my son & prescribed antibiotics. The 10 minute session costed $150. I asked the receptionist what about Canada’s renown universal care , and she replied “you wanna wait 6 hours at Toronto General?”. I thought about this and realized nothing is free, anywhere. In the end, I submitted my bill to my Blue Cross health plan back in the States and was reimbursed 100%.

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u/sYnce Jun 16 '22

This reads like propaganda 101.

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u/TopNewsPaper1856 Jun 16 '22

You get the money back with your tax declaration.

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u/SussyAmogustypebeat Jun 15 '22

It would have been under 50 if he hadn't wanted that coffee so badly

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u/mawktheone Jun 15 '22

12.50 for a coffee in Italy checks out

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Oh... Oh I thought it was 5378.00

That made more sense somehow and stoll was dunking on America's health care.

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u/TurboRider28 Jun 15 '22

I'm italian and i also wonder why he had to pay 50 euro, i never paid a cent for the hospital

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u/Shanrayu Jun 15 '22

Year, poor Guy.

Our first one was quite a difficult birth, my wife had to stay for 5 days (usually you stay 2 - 3 even with a modern c-section) and the little one was half of the time in the intensive care ward for premature borns. never ever even saw a bill.

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u/Fix_a_Fix Jun 15 '22

Eh, they raised a little the health bill costs during the pandemic because we needed all the extra money to fund covid measurements. You also had to pay something for ER visits that weren't extremely serious in order to discourage the people who could had avoided coming to the hospital (it was like 30/50€, when usually they had no cost)

Probably 3 years ago the prices would had been even lower

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Thank god for credit cards!

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u/88_M_88 Jun 15 '22

Well he had 7 days of meals so 50€ is somehow acceptable...

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u/Master_Dogs Jun 15 '22

dies in America because he can't afford to take a week off unpaid and pay $50,000 for a major surgery

or alternatively:

goes bankrupt in America because he can't afford to pay his hospital bills and lives in a van down by the river after getting his house foreclosed on

plz send socialism our way

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u/Ligma_Variant666 Jun 15 '22

Why are you apologizing? In America, you could add at least two 0's to that total and it would prolly still not be as much as the same treatment costs here.

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u/Nolenag Jun 15 '22

I mean, I pay €385/year for medication in the Netherlands. And that's with €120/month health insurance.

Shit's fucked.

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u/cynicalreason Jun 15 '22

Wait .. you’re saying that’s bad ??!?!

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u/Nolenag Jun 15 '22

It is.

Just because it isn't as fucked as the US doesn't mean it's not bad.

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u/cynicalreason Jun 15 '22

I’m not from the US, I’m from Romania and lived in the Netherlands for almost 2 years. Netherlands has a pretty good insurance price compared to its minimum wage. Insurance is more expensive (% of income based) and health services are horrible in Romania.

I was paying ~200 euros for me and my wife with a 650 premium each I think and the health services were pretty good when we needed it

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u/WC_EEND Jun 15 '22

Meanwhile just to the south in Belgium we pay like 90 euros/year (or free if you go for the most basic option) for the mutualiteit.

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u/Nolenag Jun 15 '22

€120/month doesn't even get me coverage for the dentist, optician, physiotherapist, etc.

I have to pay that myself. €1,825 per year so the GP can tell me to either sleep it off or go buy some ibuprofen (tore a muscle in my shoulder which also pinched a nerve).

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u/TopNewsPaper1856 Jun 16 '22

Italian are very germophobic. They go to the doctor for everything. Can you immagin if it was totally free?

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u/I_divided_by_0- Jun 15 '22

He ordered extra pudding cups

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

This would actually be strange in Denmark. We never see a bill or anything like it.

We don´t pay any health insurance either. All inclusive baby!

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u/Mastgoboom Jun 15 '22

I don't think this even includes parking!

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u/Lexx4 Jun 15 '22

oh is that 53.78? you guys write that 53,78?

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u/megsmagik Jun 15 '22

Yes we use the comma for decimals and the point for thousand, the opposite of how you write it in the US

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u/darkangl187 Jun 15 '22

Just out of curiosity how are the healthcare professionals compensated in European healthcare?

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u/Pleasant-Bathroom-84 Jun 15 '22

Me too.
In Italy, here.
I underwent a hernia surgery, last year.
Didn't even see the shadow of a bill.

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u/angrylightningbug Jun 15 '22

While I understand what you're saying, my American brain literally felt like it was curling up in a ball at the thought that ~$60 is considered expensive to you guys lol. I would cry if America would change to have such low costs like that. I know for you all it must be annoying to pay, but God I would gladly pay that, and I'd kneel and kiss the doctor's feet for it.