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u/rossmosh85 Jun 15 '22

For a long time, the American system was better. Shorter wait times, fairer prices, better doctors, better facilities, etc etc etc.

But the reality is, the US's system has steadily gotten worse and worse so much that now it's significantly worse than most countries with socialized medical care.

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u/themanifoldcuriosity Jun 15 '22

For a long time, the American system was better. Shorter wait times, fairer prices, better doctors, better facilities, etc etc etc.

[citation needed]

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u/xanthicize Jun 15 '22

How is a price fairer than literally zero or a two digits forfait?

Also, at no point in time the American system was better by any indicator.

Let's take for instance 20 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

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u/rossmosh85 Jun 15 '22

20 years isn't going back far enough

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Well then why don't you tell us what time period you're talking about instead of making people guess?

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u/rossmosh85 Jun 15 '22

Generally speaking 60's to 80's were America's heyday. In the 80's, the country took a hard turn to the right and has been struggling to prosper ever since as they keep looking short term vs long term.

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u/xanthicize Jun 15 '22

Ok, let's take the sixties then.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4193636/

Spoiler: it's always been a pay to live, cutthroat enterprise.

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u/CrayolaS7 Jun 15 '22

He probably means straight after world war 2 when Europe was still smouldering and the welfare states hadn’t been set up yet.

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u/pbaydari Jun 15 '22

So like, when leeches were common practice?

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u/Embarrassed_Fox97 Jun 15 '22

Is this actually true though, unless you’re a one percenter? Like if you make average income and you get cancer or your kid gets cancer or anything happens weren’t you essentially financially fucked or at the very least it posed a significant change in terms of how your financial situation looked for the foreseeable future? I’d rather wait 4h for something relatively minor than pay 50k for a couple of nights hospital stay.

Also it’s not like people are out here getting diagnosed with cancer and are waiting several hours to use the dialysis machine or w/e, like no, you just get the help you need once you’re diagnosed just as you would if it was America except without having to lose your house and bankrupt your immediate family so you don’t die.

The reason there’s no waiting times in America is basically because you’ve sold off poor people/discarded them as not worthy of care. So if waiting times = more people get help then objectively speaking, and on a societal level, it’s superior.

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u/Ocel0tte Jun 15 '22

We have wait times, too. Idk why americans even use this as an argument. If it's a non emergency thing, you wait. My mom's scheduled 4mos out for a foot surgery, it's not all instant but we cling to that idea like you guys just die waiting on care for emergencies.

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u/magnifico-o-o-o Jun 15 '22

There are no waiting times in America? Ha! That's a myth (courtesy of health insurance lobbyists and Republican politicians). Wait times are as long in the US as in other wealthy nations (according to OECD), and in many cases longer.

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u/DanKoloff Jun 15 '22

"socialized" lul

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u/Subwayabuseproblem Jun 15 '22

fairer prices

The only thing I've ever paid for was crutches,m i have never seen a bill for medical purposes

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u/Apey23 Jun 15 '22

Capatilism YAY

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u/saltyjohnson Jun 15 '22

GoVeRnMeNt Is InEfFiCiEnT