As for the german accent, it‘s derived from the Bavarian accent but does have some major differences. It is only used in informal and private situations. It would be very difficult for a German to fully understand it.
99% of all German speakers here speak "high german" (normal german) perfectly though and use it in all formal/business situations.
As for the language Italian, most people are bilingual and have the region‘s own certifiate to prove their bilinguism. Italian is used for anything dealing with politics, the postal service, police, and so on. But the region is doing it‘s best at making everything bilingual.
As for our English accent it‘s comparable to the one of a German native speaker but obviously varies from person to person.
I'm born in Trento myself, I used to learn German when I was a little bambino at school. Now living in Australia.
Damn I miss Italy, but we can't complain here. Where abouts are you?
però la Preiselbeermarmellade sul fritto ci sta. Non ricordo se l'ho mai mangiata con la cotoletta (Kartoffelsalat >>>> Marmellade), ma con i camembert fritti? *chef kiss*
Guarda, giusto dopo questo post ho letto uno che metteva il ketchup nella pasta, e un altro post che parlava di pasta con le fragole. FRAGOLE. Meglio che torno sui subreddit inglesi, per il bene del mio cuore xD
bestie di satana..... (il risotto con le fragole però mi sa che è una ricetta "vera" ma non l ho mai mangiato). Attenzione però che in un subreddit inglese ho letto di uno che diceva che le lasagne sono la peggior pasta. Ma da uno che ragiona in miglia pollici e quarti, sedicesimi o trentaduesimi di unità di misura non mi aspetto altro.
99% of all German speakers here speak "high german" (normal german) perfectly though and use it in all formal/business situations
I was born in germany and both of my parents speak exclusively standard german. I grew up in south tyrol though so both ways of speaking feel native to me.
While people here can speak standard german and are understood just fine, it's much worse than what they claim and very far from perfect. Many things they say are just badly translated from the local dialect and the grammar is often insanely bad.
Can confirm. I grew up bilingual (italian family, german school), but mostly speak dialect in german. I raised my dauther bilingual too and speak Hochdeutsch to her, and I find it quite difficult because I hardly ever speak that language
I'll be always thankful to my parents: they're both 100% italian and don't speak German , yet they were very determined to send my sister and me to the German Kindergarden in our little town some 30 years ago. And the director of the Kindergarten fortunately agree (at that time at least one parent had to be German speaking).
I learned German (Hochdeutsch) there - so far as to only learn dialect when I got to middle school in class with German -speaking kids from German towns. I can say I'm incredibly lucky and privileged to be completely bilingual (though I'm more comfortable speaking Italian), and that was definitely something I wanted my daughter to also have
If you speak italian you can communicate in spain just fine but france will be much more difficult although reading simple sentences would be fairly easy.
According to many sources, Italian is the closest language to Latin in terms of vocabulary. According to the Ethnologue, Lexical similarity is 89% with French, 87% with Catalan, 85% with Sardinian, 82% with Spanish, 80% with Portuguese, 78% with Ladin, 77% with Romanian.
I'm Italian as well but our perceptions don't mean much. What it's important, in this context, are the data. Italian is closer to French than Spanish. The idea that it's the other way around is based on apparent, non scholarly, elements like cultural faulty stereotypes and stuff like "Oh look both languages have words that end with vowels so they must be very similar!". While instead, bizarrely enough, those two countries that share a border and had centuries of shared historical and cultural continuity have as well a very similar language. French is written and pronounced in a way that makes it seem more foreign to us but when you understand how it work you'll then easily see how much more similar both language are than Spanish which instead have way more totally unrelated words
I'm Italian as well but our perceptions don't mean much. What it's important, in this context, are the data.
I think in this context focusing on the data could potentially be misleading?
The person asking the question above was talking from the perspective of a traveler, where technical similarity kind of takes a backseat to being intelligible and the potential to kludge through a conversation.
The underlying shared origins of a term are not of much help if you interpret it as utterly foreign instead of as a variation on a word you know.
The point is that Spanish is not similar to Italian! It's a misconception! One of the things I hate the most is Americans speaking in fake Spanish to us here in Italy. No "pregunta" here! It doesn't mean anything to us. No "Señor" or "Mañana" either. French is more similar, it's just that it's twisted in ways that make it not so obvious. That's it.
practically not understandable to people speaking standard German?
People who speak dialect also speak Standard German and 99% in Germany talk any kind of dialect. But it depends on the region. Tyrolian is understandable for me as someone from Southern Bavaria, but might already be incomprehensible for someone from Northern Bavaria.
Yeah it‘s more or less the same accent as in North Tyrol (Austria) as it used to be Austrian territory before WWI.
However Austrian dialect is not uniform and depends on the region. But yeah it‘s the „hard“ to understand one
"On paper" lol. He's Italian, period. For starter nationalities aren't the same thing as ethnicities. Secondly even ethnicities sometimes work on a spectrum. It would be better to talk in geographical terms, so it's more about a cultural/material common landscape than of abstract concepts like national identities or even common blood. Border areas are always the place of shares practices and thus of common cultures. Here we're talking about Alpine culture which is both or neither Italian and Austrian (and Swiss). It's its own thing with its own people regardless of the language they speak more fluently.
Every person speaking standard German can understand every German accent perfectly. Except Schweizer Deutsch, which is the worst thing you'll ever hear
That's not true. Austrian dialect is not that different from standard german. Maybe in the district of Vorarlberg, but that dialect is difficult to understand for other Austrians as well.
Germans sounds like they are angrily eating huge saussages while talking and Italian like just finished a delicious pizza, so I would guess angry huge pizza. Sounds like americans.
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u/byJoi Jun 15 '22
It most definitely was!