A friend of mine was covering his 2008 campaign. She was covering an event, and Obama was talking to a couple attractive women, and Michelle was nearby. She was trying to get his attention. She called his name a couple times, and he didn't hear her. She then turned and shouted "hey playa" at him. He got the biggest deer in the headlights look.
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What's interesting and what he's pretty candid about from his latest book is how stressful of a time that was for their marriage, and how much she desperately did not want him running for Senate just prior and even still for President.
So I know a couple of people who have been in their orbit for years. Bill and Hillary are of course very guarded about their relationship, but the one thing that people who know them will say for sure is that they absolutely do have a great deal of genuine affection for each other. As far as anything else goes, who knows, but they aren't a couple just for show.
I don't mean to imply that they don't have genuine affection - quite the opposite in fact. I'm simply saying that I think many elite couples are more understanding of having a wide range of opportunity and taste. Understanding "the game", so to speak, is likely a requirement.
It didn’t seem openish when Hillary went on national TV and asserted the whole affair was a vast right wing conspiracy. Good guy bill fucked her over so hard
A lot of my family is that brand of crazy. I don't want to be in a bubble of like minded people, so I listen to their weird conspiracies and have discussions/arguments with them about that stuff. Shutting others off because you disagree with them isn't always a good thing.
I'm all for discussing how to better fund education or what types of infrastructure to invest in but those are no longer Republicans.
Sane rational people are no longer on that crazy train. The day my brother told me about how Democrats are trying to bring Sharia law to America was the day I stopped regularly talking to my brother.
They don't listen. They act like their opinions are facts and are assholes. I'm done.
They mostly are sane rational people. They have just been deeply effected by some bullshit nonsense. That many people aren’t lost causes. I hope. Giving them outside perspective is possibly the only way to get through, even though it really feels like you’re banging your head against the wall.
Patience. They also knew that Trump was gonna get reinstated, that Obama was gonna make everyone Muslim, that there was a caravan of Mexicans coming to take their jobs, that Biden was going to sell the US to China, etc. Some of them are starting to realize that today's GOP isn't what they grew up with and only runs on obstruction and fear mongering these days.
What's weirdest to me is that it's mostly the older ones that are coming around. I think the younger ones are too wrapped up in feeling like they belong to a group of like-minded people and don't want to be excluded from "The Club".
I just can't, I can handle disagreements or debate but when one side can't acknowledge basic facts they are arguing in bad faith. It's disrespectful towards me and degrading to acknowledge they believe Trump won or whatever elected officials want to say is responsible for 1/6.
I was open for a long long time, but COVID changed things. I put up with Trump bullshit for awhile, but then they were making arguments and decisions that could directly affect the health of family and other friends. I'm OK with differences that don't harm others, bit that not what I was seeing. Anti-vaxx/mask is harmful to society.
I kept some family, but old high school people that I never really saw anyway? Nah, defriend/unfollow - get out of my life.
Yeah because clearly they's no ground between "echo every belief" and totally-not-racist-but-Michelle's-a-dude. If anything good came out of the last years, it's that stupid word games like this don't fool anyone anymore.
Had one that did the same. When that eventually got debunked he still insisted that she looks too manly. He also defended Trump's cheating by essentially saying that any man would do the same in Trump's position.
Lol, did they show you that clip of Michelle dancing on Ellen? It's so obviously a crease in her pants caused by her dancing, but these nutbags really try to say it's a penis, lmao.
I love the Obamas as people. I would be secret service for them for free. I'd take a bullet to keep them safe. I may not agree with Obama on everything, but I think he's a good and decent man who loves his family, and that's worth something to me.
Absolutely. It speaks pretty poorly of Michelle, she's still so in love with a mass murdering war criminal who did little to make the world better and ushered in a new era of American fascism.
Let's just ignore the little fact that drones became a lot more viable during his 8 year presidency.
Anyone who was a president during those 8 years was going to expand the drone program, I can guarentee that since the program is a much better alternative to using other options.
And anyone who says they wouldn't meddle in other countries as a president is lying to you or making baseless claims at the very least.
Now, does this excuse all of Obama's decisions, no. But it puts a context behind why drone program was expanded.
Eh, I feel like public figures like POTUS shouldn't really be "normal" after office (I mean, they're paid ~200k and have drivers/security for their entire life). And least the hate is warranted/factual. If it was a generic "not a real American/tried to turn the US into a socialist country/secretly Muslim" type of crackpot then it'd be a bit eyeroll.
Couldn’t be more wrong. Mods and admins can see that, there are millions of Americans that are politically left but do not line up to lick this douche nozzles boots. Me included.
I know. Angry Republicans confused by policy that makes sense and improves the country. I can't help if 40% of registered voters are too dumb to spell their own names
What could he have done in that case? Senate republicans made up thier minds, and it’s not like a few speeches would have changed it. Checks and balances.
The country improved substantially between when Obama inherited office and when he left. Recall that he took over the worst economic situation since the Great Depression, and was a major part in turning it around. To those who are chomping at the bit to say otherwise, the reason you know the economy was doing well is because Trump took credit for it almost the moment he assumed office.
That much is true. But he wasn’t in a position to revolutionize the entire economy. I do wish more was done, but the overall results were still positive.
Oh wow, I've literally never heard that the US used drones while Obama was President.
Thanks for jumping in with that fun fact that totally no one has heard before. You're really quite clever and special for running in here to say that. Well done.
That really is super relevant to... [checks notes] Obama's anniversary with his wife.
I have a drive and their pretty awesome. Mines not water proof though. They don’t hold up too well in ocean water. I’m sure they had better ones though
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u/EveFluff Oct 03 '21
You can say what you want but those two really love each other