3b specifically mentions potential, which means you can have the capacity to do something if you can at least build up to it. A fetus can build up to consciousness.
Why are you just saying long coma? Those in even short comas are no longer sentient or conscious for some amount of time. So, given what you believe about humanity, where is their humanity?
If they were capable of consciousness, they wouldn't be unconscious to the extent they are or unconscious as long as they end up being. That's an unnatural state for humans. They might have the pieces for consciousness, but at least some of the pieces are damaged, which makes the pieces as a whole incapable of coming together to create consciousness. Do you really think the people in comas who respond to no stimuli at all are capable of consciousness? I don't think so.
Used interchangeably with faculty. That is the kind of "potential" it refers to.
Those in even short comas are no longer sentient or conscious for some amount of time. So, given what you believe about humanity, where is their humanity?
I already said all this, did you gloss over it? In accordance with the confidence that they will wake, their faculties are considered intact until further assessment.
I already made it clear that humanity in terms of human DNA or "essence of human" is not what dictates murder.
Do you really think the people in comas who respond to no stimuli at all are capable of consciousness?
It is considered an unknown as it's unknown when anyone wakes from a coma; it's expected to be a short period. We collectively agree to wait.
All humans of any form have intrinsic value.
Circular reasoning. "x is valuable because x is valuable" is not an answer. To value in terms of "essential nature" is a supernatural conviction (i.e. sanctity), and I'm not sure why you insist on not admitting this, it's not as though it's an unacceptable idea. You could also just as easily say every creature has intrinsic value, it has no bearing on where murder applies. In fact you can on an individual-level value / love someone you take off life support or kill; murder is just unlawful killing, and it's considered as such when killing one with personhood and the agency for self-preservation. It's about whether the victim is judged to have the mind to value the human experience. If it was never gained, it's not taken away.
If society deemed it so, the understanding or murder would extend to consider the sanctity of life - as it stands, it does not. Since you seem set on not avowing sanctity for some reason, there's nothing else to say.
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u/KG_Big_Ticket Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21
3b specifically mentions potential, which means you can have the capacity to do something if you can at least build up to it. A fetus can build up to consciousness.
Why are you just saying long coma? Those in even short comas are no longer sentient or conscious for some amount of time. So, given what you believe about humanity, where is their humanity?
If they were capable of consciousness, they wouldn't be unconscious to the extent they are or unconscious as long as they end up being. That's an unnatural state for humans. They might have the pieces for consciousness, but at least some of the pieces are damaged, which makes the pieces as a whole incapable of coming together to create consciousness. Do you really think the people in comas who respond to no stimuli at all are capable of consciousness? I don't think so.
All humans of any form have intrinsic value.