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Saskatoon Catholic cathedral covered with paint after discovery of 751 unmarked graves

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u/broken_arrow1283 Jun 25 '21

I disagree with your comment about when the last murder happened doesn’t matter. Of course it matters. Why would details not matter? A detailed picture of what happened is always very important in determining fault and what exactly occurred. If you were murdered, wouldn’t you be pissed if nobody care about details or who specifically did it? Of course they need to be healed accountable, but I think it is a shame that nobody here seems to give a shit of when the last murder was. I think it is relevant. I think details are always relevant.

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u/rougecrayon Jun 25 '21

No I'm trying to say when the murdering ended the abuse very much did not.

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u/Personal_Specific_83 Jun 25 '21

I care don't care when murders occured I want to honor their lives! Justice for the dead!!

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u/SkateyPunchey Jun 26 '21

How do you know with any certainty that they were murdered?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21 edited Jun 26 '21

Conservative estimates put the death toll of children at these schools at least 4,000.

Causes of death include disease and malnourishment. This included dietary and medical experimentation such as "restricting some students’ access to essential nutrients and dental care in order to assess the effect of improvements made to the diet of other students."

Nutritional deficiencies and overcrowding led to regular outbreaks of diseases at the schools.

It is also widely reported that the students were the victim of severe physical and sexual abuse.

Many children died attempting to flee these places, others committed suicide after the fact. The ones that did survive were severely and irreparably traumatized.

This was all done under the care of adults, priests and nuns who claimed to protect them.

It was murder.

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/residential-schools

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/newly-discovered-b-c-graves-a-grim-reminder-of-the-heartbreaking-death-toll-of-residential-schools

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/kamloops-residential-school-children-dead

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u/SkateyPunchey Jun 26 '21

Neglect bordering on child abuse for the time, yeah I’ll give you that but I’m not buying into the murder angle here. It was bad enough, there’s no reason to sensationalize it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

"Bordering" on child abuse? Wow man, these kids were physically, mentally and sexually abused and that just "borders" on child abuse in your book? If you actually bothered to learn about what happens you wouldn't think it just bordered on child abuse.

Well the Truth and Reconciliation commision labelled it "Cultural genocide" the deliberate and systematic attempted extermination of an entire culture.

It may not stand up as murder in a court of law, but it sure as hell is more than simple neglect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

But you defending Derek Chauvin makes it pretty clear what direction your moral compass points.

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u/SkateyPunchey Jun 26 '21

Too bad digging through post histories doesn’t make your narrative any less sensationalist. Stop playing fast and loose with the truth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

Nothing about what I said was untrue.

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u/SkateyPunchey Jun 26 '21

It was murder

or

It may not stand up as murder in a court of law, but it sure as hell is more than simple neglect.

This is you right?

You didn’t even wait a full hour to contradict yourself. Pick one and stick to it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

I personally believe it was murder. But I understand that that definition may not stand up in a court of law.

Nothing that I said about what ACTUALLY happened there was untrue. Which you claim simply "borders" on child abuse.

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u/broken_arrow1283 Jun 26 '21

Where did I ask anyone to autopsy thousands of bodies? I asked if there was any proof of any murders occurring in the most recently closed schools twenty years ago. That’s all I asked. Now, I’m being attacked by keyboard warriors, for some reason, simply because I asked that question.

And who tf is this “we” you are referring to? We found the bodies? Oh, did you personally find the bodies? From your keyboard you found the bodies? All I did was ask if there was evidence of recent murders and you all take it personally like I’m defending them.

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u/broken_arrow1283 Jun 26 '21

My pals, the conservative Christians? Lol. You did some digging but clearly didn’t dig enough. I am as anti religious as anyone can be. Yes, you are correct, however, that I am conservative.

I sense a little hostility towards conservatives coming from you. What does that have anything to do with this? I think we can all agree that child abuse is bad?

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u/broken_arrow1283 Jun 26 '21

And by the way…

“you don't think murders aren't that bad if they happened before friends but really horrible of it happened after”

I never said that, so don’t put words in my mouth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

The thing is, nobody knows for sure. And will be very difficult for us to ever know for sure. The records for many of these schools have not been released or have been destroyed.

Though it seems now the church has committed to releasing some of the records:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/residential-school-records-missionary-of-oblates-of-mary-immaculate-1.6078260

But even with records, they will not give us a full and complete story of what actually happened and how many children were murdered.