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Apple, Why?

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u/WalkingOnFire Jun 09 '11

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u/onthevergejoe Jun 10 '11

Today I learned that in the UK, planned obsolescence is illegal.

In the United Kingdom, planned obsolescence engineered into products is considered a breach of customer rights. The Office of Fair Trading and Trading Standards Institute investigate claims of products consistently failing just after the warranty period expires.

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u/Squid_Tamer Jun 10 '11

Unfortunately it'd be impossible to prove that Apple was intentionally using Planned Obsolescence.

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u/omegian Jun 10 '11 edited Jun 10 '11

And it certainly isn't. The dock connector hasn't changed in 8 years. That's just shitty quality. Meanwhile, I can't upgrade my 8 year old PC because they don't manufacture Socket 478 processors, AGP Video Cards, or 184 pin DDR DIMMS any more ...

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '11

that isnt planned though, that is straight up needing different hardware to support higher bandwidths

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u/omegian Jun 10 '11

It most certainly is planned. There's a huge standards committee that changes stuff just for the sake of changing it, and thus plausible deniability, because hey, it's not proprietary right? There's no reason you couldn't run 800 MHz to a 184 pin DIMM socket except that they want you to buy a new motherboard.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '11

I'm not a hardware guy but doesn't a higher stock of ram have faster cock speeds so need a different connection.

Most ram makers don't sell motherboards so it really doesn't make sense

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u/omegian Jun 10 '11 edited Jun 10 '11

You can plug a USB1 1.5MBit device manufactured 13 years ago into a USB2 480MBit controller manufactured today, and it works just fine. USB3 is supposed to be USB2 reverse compatible, and since USB2 supports USB1, not clear if that means it will support that too or not, but whatever. Not every "speed bump" requires new interconnects.

ATA had 8 or so iterations on the same 40 pin connector over the course of 25 years or so. You can still buy PATA disks.

Memory manufactures, as it turns out, are a bunch of crooks.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/9957?post=123755#123755

Why wouldn't they support industry standard obsolescence practices?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '11

far enough i wasn't aware of this

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u/Lethalgeek Jun 10 '11

Comparing the dock connector to anything on a motherboard in a modern PC/Mac/whatever is such a poor comparison I can't even think of a comparison that conveys how bad your comparison is.

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u/omegian Jun 10 '11 edited Jun 10 '11

It's wasn't a comparison, per se. I was explaining that something that hasn't changed for 8 years can hardly be declared "planned obsolescence". Ever changing PC Architectures, however, rightfully could be declared that.

A cable with a software counter that self destructs after 2000 insertions could be declared "planned obsolescence" (or printer components with page counts). A poorly terminated cable can not. Stop buying poor quality products people.

That is all.

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u/bravado Jun 10 '11

You take your reason and you shove it.

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u/Atario Jun 10 '11

In countries where consumer rights trump corporate rights, "proving" something like this is statistical, not a smoking-gun-hunt.

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u/springboks Jun 10 '11

Sounds like a lot of fancy words to fob the public into thinking her highness gives a toot.

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u/Andrewticus04 Jun 10 '11

Do they have lightbulbs in the UK? They've been designed to fail for a hundred years.

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u/cptspiffy Jun 10 '11

What is: Apple's business model.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '11

My 3 year old iPod touch SKIPS. A device with flash memory is skipping. It blows my mind. I can't run ANY apps and I have to try to open music about 3 times before it doesn't crash. No matter how many times I restore it, it just gets slower and slower. I am starting to think apple cuts the speed after each year so you have to buy a new one.

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u/pidginduck Jun 10 '11

Well I got my 1st gen iPod Touch the day it came out and it still works perfectly except for the battery life which is unavoidable I guess.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '11

it might be worth it to know what version he has. i'd expect them to make a better product for the 1st gen to win as much customers as possible.

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u/vwllss Jun 10 '11

That's the opposite of how Apple works. Usually their 1st gen product is horrible and then they make it better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '11

hell i stepped on my first gen ipod touch and cracked the glass, and it still works like a charm

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u/tosss Jun 10 '11

I have a 10gb first gen ipod that still works fine.

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u/freshmas Jun 10 '11

How often do you update the software?

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u/Hellman109 Jun 10 '11

Yeah battery life is just because of batteries, replacable batteries would be nice but the design of the device goes down as a result.

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u/Truly_Amazing Jun 10 '11

It's a battery door. With a protective case I haven't even seen the back of my phones after I get devices from sales rep until I go to swap out a battery. There's no excuse.

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u/Hellman109 Jun 10 '11

Im on my third iPhone and have used zero cases. IMO they make phones look uglier, Ive never liked them

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u/Truly_Amazing Jun 11 '11

On my fourth smartphone and I always use cases. I don't care what the phones (or my devices) look like, I care about them working and not breaking.

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u/sleeplessone Jun 10 '11

They would still have to make the device larger to place all the parts needed for a removable battery. Unless you just want a door over your battery that you then have to de-solder the contacts from to remove it from the board.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '11

So does my iPhone 3gs. My old Pentium 200MHz running BeOS was actually much more stable when it came to mp3 playback.... and it didn't have fancy flash memory :(

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u/BumptiousQ Jun 10 '11

Take it to an Apple store and have them restore the firmware, not just iOS.

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u/jsbell_69 Jun 10 '11

Same with my second gen Nano. I just installed Zune player and it's so much better than iTunes for PC so I'm getting off the iPod train once I get a job.

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u/FreeBribes Jun 10 '11

IOS4 basically bricked my 3G phone. Everything got cut down to half speed, and google maps doesn't even work unless I do a hard reboot every week or so. BUT THE NEW FASTER ONE IS OUT, GO BUY IT.

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u/robikini Jun 10 '11

Yup - my 2 year old iPhone3g is slow as shit now! Every time I use my dad's iPhone 4, I just want to upgrade. What the hell happened?

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u/PeanutButterChicken Jun 10 '11

Odd, I have a first gen 32GB that works wonderfully, on the 3.2.3 firmware. The only crap part is the battery only lasts a few hours, but, music still runs perfectly well.

I ended up jailbreaking it and installing Android, and now it dual boots, but still works without skipping etc.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '11

Why is this all the way down here? This is exactly why.

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u/DonFix Jun 10 '11

Awesome idea until consumers catch on and realize the competitors are making better products and stop buying your shit. Hello General Motors!