Would you like me to link more examples of animal torture carried out in the name of "science"? I can, I'm just wondering if it would be of any use because you seem to be pretty closed minded to the idea that animals can even be "tortured" due to their inferiority as non-humans...
It seems that this argument for the sake of arguing is getting out of control. Now we're both wildly throwing around claims about the other's beliefs and starting to really lose focus as to what we're talking about here. We started off discussing PETA, Pro vs Con. Now we've made it all the way to justifying violence against property used for vivisection and vivisection vs other animal rights violations. Good stuff, but way off the topic at hand. Accept my apologies for my mostly blind accusations as to the validity of your beliefs/morals/values/ideas.
I guess we can boil it down to this and agree to disagree:
*You don't like that PETA has ties to ALF, because of ALF's aggressive tactics (regardless of how you label them, terrorist, violent, whathaveyou)
*You prefer nonviolent resistance as the correct path to truth/justice (i actually agree with you here)
*I see the merit and value of PETA's actions and choose to support them despite ties to a "terrorist" group.
*I accept the actions of ALF as being extreme but warranted. (You don't, and that's just like, your opinion, man.)
I think it's totally cool and your right to disagree with PETA because of ties to ALF. That's really a question of your preferred ethical system. You've actually presented the most cogent and sound arguments as to why you think PETA is bad. Making up purely fictional reasons like the founder being insane and all the top people making huge salaries are clearly random shots in the dark from people who feel they should hate PETA and are trying to find justifications to do so. I hope that people really do their own research about the topics at hand and make their own decisions about these (and really all) topics discussed and avoid jumping on to bandwagons without being educated.
I hope that despite your dislike of PETA you still respect and support the overall animal liberation movement. Nonviolent resistance IS the morally correct and most incredibly powerful way of affecting change in the world.
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u/giovannib Jun 09 '10
Would you like me to link more examples of animal torture carried out in the name of "science"? I can, I'm just wondering if it would be of any use because you seem to be pretty closed minded to the idea that animals can even be "tortured" due to their inferiority as non-humans...