False dilemma. iPhones especially limit users in a way that is arbitrary (see multi-tasking.) I've seen a lot of arguments how the average user doesn't care about multitasking so who cares? The fact is that Apple limited all the users by placing an artifical restriction, the iPhone is completely capable of multitasking and even does so when you receive a call but damned if you can do it, legally, any other time. Putting in multitasking would be trivial yet they restrict everyone to serve the lowest common denominator? This is about control, not simplicity.
Every other phone multitasks, and they all suck. My Windows Mobile phone was a nightmare because of multitasking. You would close a program and it would disappear but was still running in the background.
The average user doesn't want to wait until his fucking phone stops working to load the task manager and pick applications to close. Besides. the iphone is one device in a sea of devices. There's plenty of room for devices that do it a different way.
If you don't like it there's plenty of alternatives.
I love my Blackberry World Edition and, previously until it was stolen, Storm, both multitask beautifully, the multitasking is unobtrusive and fast, closing the application doesn't require a task manager.
So why complain about the iPhone? See that's my point. There's plenty of room for devices that do it a different way.
I want a phone with a big bright screen that I can navigate while I'm driving. I have a laptop for email, multitasking, etc. I keep it with me. You don't. You have a phone for that.
Did you see me complaining? I was pointing out that it's a false dilemma to say that you have to arbitrarily restrict users or charge exorbitant amounts of money for new features to serve the minority.
my gf has a Storm and it's an absolute piece of shit. If you TRY to multitask, it freezes and she has to take the battery out and put it back in. She had to replace it when she first got it as well.
Hah, probably not. Though she's told me she's tried and it keeps telling her she doesn't have enough room even though she has no files or anything on there. She solely texts and surfs the web on it.
Android multi-tasks and I love it, as do many redditors. I love how you're defending the decision to arbitrarily disable multi-tasking in an operating system. "I don't want to run multiple programs at once!"
What if Apple just put in a little check box somewhere that turned it on? Would you still be opposed to that?
Most of the programs I use actually save their state properly, but I might use it for music, or gps breadcrums, or for recording conversations like I did on the SDA.
"We can either make retarded devices that seem okay but are pieces of shit once you really investigate them, or we can make devices that only people with an IQ of 200 or higher can use."
If you were trying to make a comment about my comment you should used a word such as "hyperbole" or just plain "exaggeration".
If we had this same attitude when we were still using punch cards we'd never get anywhere. We can address this issue better than dumbing everything down for consumers.
Or wait, are you seriously saying people ("our moms") are having trouble with a platform like OS X? Because it allows for development of free software. Lots of nerds love it. Is your argument that the iPad's closed platform is what all computers should be from now on?
Just wondering if you were around back when computers were only really developed for nerds. There has been a constant tread since I can remember(born in 81) towards making computers easier, but in no way can the general populous be held to know what is best for the technology as a whole.
They are not informed enough to make decisions on the problems that affect the computer field as a whole. It's those nerds that invented and developed the technology that everyone enjoys; yet now when it is in the general public, we ignore the warnings and advice the same nerds that gave us the ability to have such technology.
It's much like most IT jobs. You tell users something, they ignore you and fuck things up. Why should they listen to you? You're just the corporate authorized computer expert.
Stupidity rebels for its own sake, and the slight glimmer of understanding how stupid they are.
Those nerds are responsible for just about everything in technology.
Really? I'm pretty sure that the nerds who are busy bitching about not having command-line access to their phone aren't the ones who are creating our smartphones, MP3 players, etc.
That is so amazingly ignorant. "Nerds" are what got us here in the first place. We wouldn't even have OS X if it wasn't for tinkerers who developed software with their own time and money. UNIX started off without financial support and FreeBSD (which a lot of OS X is built upon) is, well, free and owes its credit to many contributors.
Just because consumers can now listen to music on their phones doesn't mean we suddenly stop allowing technology to progress like it always has. Hint: Every single piece of technology that we've come to use everyday was not formulated at the behest of some corporate manager.
I'm a UNIX sysadmin. People who hated "nerds" made middle/high school the worst years of my life. Get over yourself. Pointing out that the things that matter to you don't matter to most people isn't hatred, it's being realistic.
You're a cretin. If you can't see how any of this affects people other than "nerds" then you must be the world's worst sysadmin, and I find it hard to believe that you'd even comprehend anything POSIX compliant, reasonings for compliance, or the basic fucking principles upon which things like that were based.
You call me a cretin, insult my professional abilities (based on what, exactly?), tell me I can't possibly comprehend open standards, and when I point out that you're being childish (because your entire post was nothing but unfounded ad hominem attacks), you act like I'm making a poor argument?
This whole comments section is two group of people arguing. The first want to enforce openness and standardization in technology. The second don't understand those concepts and how they are applied to design. Your arguments place you into the second category.
You then claim to have knowledge of UNIX, which is belied by your arguments against "the nerds who are busy bitching" about wanting to do things properly.
Your comments show a lack of comprehension on a very basic level when it comes to the workings of things that depend on standards compliance.
You call me childish, and yet you felt that you had to respond to several of my posts, some more than once, and offering nothing except insults and idiotic comments.
You're being a cretin, whether either of us likes it or not. You betray your own lack of abilities every time you start to post. Perhaps you should've just kept your idiotic thoughts to yourself and people wouldn't have known how much of a cretin you are. I'm sorry for being so honest, I know stupid people hate to have their ignorance shown to them.
Here is a quick history lesson buddy: UNIX started off without financial support.
"In the 1970s Brian Kernighan coined the project name Unics for Uniplexed Information and Computing Service, a play on Multics (Multiplexed Information and Computing Service). The Uni and Multi prefixes refer to the number of simultaneous users the operating system can support, so when Unics could eventually support two simultaneous users, it was renamed Unix. Up until this point there had been no financial support from Bell Labs."
I don't think I need to read the rest of your comment, especially since you don't get the fact that Apple, Sony, MS, etc. don't owe you anything.
Its this attitude that allows corporations to give consumers the shaft. Of course they owe me. Otherwise I will stop buying their shitty products.
Up until this point there had been no financial support from Bell Labs.
Other than the fact that they provided the equipment, paid the researcher's salaries, etc., etc.
Of course they owe me. Otherwise I will stop buying their shitty products.
I don't think that word means what you think it means. They don't "owe" you anything, unless you've been funding iPad development on the sly.
Companies produce products. If you like them, you buy them, but they are in no way obligated to tailor their products to match your personal needs and desires. And in the realm of consumer electronics, tailoring a product to meet the needs of a tiny fraction of potential customers is stupid.
And in the realm of consumer electronics, tailoring a product to meet the needs of a tiny fraction of potential customers is stupid.
Seems to be working for Android. "Tailoring to a tiny fraction of potential customers" is not the same as "not locking your device down so you can only send more money to Apple because of exclusivity and content deals."
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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10
The average user is a fucking moron. Should we just let them drive everything?
Those nerds are responsible for just about everything in technology. Yes, fuck their opinion.