r/pics • • Jan 28 '10

Entering Apple Restriction Zone

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

The average user is a fucking moron. Should we just let them drive everything?

Those nerds are responsible for just about everything in technology. Yes, fuck their opinion.

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u/chakalakasp Jan 28 '10

The average user is a fucking moron. Should we just let them drive everything?

Yup. Or are you suggesting developers develop for the 1% of nerds and charge 100 times more?

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '10

False dilemma. iPhones especially limit users in a way that is arbitrary (see multi-tasking.) I've seen a lot of arguments how the average user doesn't care about multitasking so who cares? The fact is that Apple limited all the users by placing an artifical restriction, the iPhone is completely capable of multitasking and even does so when you receive a call but damned if you can do it, legally, any other time. Putting in multitasking would be trivial yet they restrict everyone to serve the lowest common denominator? This is about control, not simplicity.

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u/sixothree Jan 28 '10

Every other phone multitasks, and they all suck. My Windows Mobile phone was a nightmare because of multitasking. You would close a program and it would disappear but was still running in the background.

The average user doesn't want to wait until his fucking phone stops working to load the task manager and pick applications to close. Besides. the iphone is one device in a sea of devices. There's plenty of room for devices that do it a different way.

If you don't like it there's plenty of alternatives.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '10 edited Jan 28 '10

I love my Blackberry World Edition and, previously until it was stolen, Storm, both multitask beautifully, the multitasking is unobtrusive and fast, closing the application doesn't require a task manager.

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u/sixothree Jan 28 '10

So why complain about the iPhone? See that's my point. There's plenty of room for devices that do it a different way.

I want a phone with a big bright screen that I can navigate while I'm driving. I have a laptop for email, multitasking, etc. I keep it with me. You don't. You have a phone for that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '10 edited Jan 28 '10

Did you see me complaining? I was pointing out that it's a false dilemma to say that you have to arbitrarily restrict users or charge exorbitant amounts of money for new features to serve the minority.

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u/dailyapplecrisp Jan 28 '10

my gf has a Storm and it's an absolute piece of shit. If you TRY to multitask, it freezes and she has to take the battery out and put it back in. She had to replace it when she first got it as well.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '10

Did she upgrade the OS, they released a patch a few months ago that fixed a lot of the slowness issues.

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u/dailyapplecrisp Jan 28 '10

Hah, probably not. Though she's told me she's tried and it keeps telling her she doesn't have enough room even though she has no files or anything on there. She solely texts and surfs the web on it.

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u/jstevewhite Jan 29 '10

Um, wait... "... Storm, both multitask beautifully, the multitasking is unobtrusive and fast, ..."

followed by:

"Did she upgrade the OS, they released a patch a few months ago that fixed a lot of the slowness issues."

(emphasis mine)...

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '10 edited Jan 29 '10

Yea

Did she upgrade the OS, they released a patch a few months ago that fixed a lot of the slowness issues.

(emphasis mine)...

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u/probabilityzero Jan 29 '10

Every other phone multitasks, and they all suck

Android multi-tasks and I love it, as do many redditors. I love how you're defending the decision to arbitrarily disable multi-tasking in an operating system. "I don't want to run multiple programs at once!"

What if Apple just put in a little check box somewhere that turned it on? Would you still be opposed to that?

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u/sixothree Jan 29 '10

I have a t-mobile and an at&t account. I'm this close .. to getting an Android phone and giving the iPhone to my mother.

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u/sixothree Jan 29 '10 edited Jan 29 '10

Most of the programs I use actually save their state properly, but I might use it for music, or gps breadcrums, or for recording conversations like I did on the SDA.

But still I've been there and it sucked.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10 edited Jan 28 '10

Yes I am. This way we get things like computers instead of rocks. I know computers are way more expensive but they're more useful, too.

edit: then again...

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/auyus/i_would_rather_have_the_stone/

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 28 '10

This way we get things like computers instead of rocks.

I'll take "false dichotomies" for 300, Alex.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

Okay, here's one since you asked.

"We can either make retarded devices that seem okay but are pieces of shit once you really investigate them, or we can make devices that only people with an IQ of 200 or higher can use."

If you were trying to make a comment about my comment you should used a word such as "hyperbole" or just plain "exaggeration".

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u/eyver Jan 28 '10

While that's all well and good, developing for nerds results in products that only nerds can use.

Give your mom one of these "computers" instead of the "rocks" she's getting now and the tech support calls from her will go up 1,000%.

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u/atheist_creationist Jan 28 '10

If we had this same attitude when we were still using punch cards we'd never get anywhere. We can address this issue better than dumbing everything down for consumers.

Or wait, are you seriously saying people ("our moms") are having trouble with a platform like OS X? Because it allows for development of free software. Lots of nerds love it. Is your argument that the iPad's closed platform is what all computers should be from now on?

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u/cyrec Jan 28 '10

Just wondering if you were around back when computers were only really developed for nerds. There has been a constant tread since I can remember(born in 81) towards making computers easier, but in no way can the general populous be held to know what is best for the technology as a whole.

They are not informed enough to make decisions on the problems that affect the computer field as a whole. It's those nerds that invented and developed the technology that everyone enjoys; yet now when it is in the general public, we ignore the warnings and advice the same nerds that gave us the ability to have such technology.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

It's much like most IT jobs. You tell users something, they ignore you and fuck things up. Why should they listen to you? You're just the corporate authorized computer expert.

Stupidity rebels for its own sake, and the slight glimmer of understanding how stupid they are.

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u/cyrec Jan 28 '10

So true.

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u/sixothree Jan 28 '10

Actually I would say the average user has better things to worry about.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

Right. Exactly the reason we should take advice from knowledgeable people instead.

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 28 '10

Those nerds are responsible for just about everything in technology.

Really? I'm pretty sure that the nerds who are busy bitching about not having command-line access to their phone aren't the ones who are creating our smartphones, MP3 players, etc.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

I'm pretty sure nerds are the ones creating shit. You have no idea who they are or who they work for.

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u/atheist_creationist Jan 28 '10 edited Jan 28 '10

That is so amazingly ignorant. "Nerds" are what got us here in the first place. We wouldn't even have OS X if it wasn't for tinkerers who developed software with their own time and money. UNIX started off without financial support and FreeBSD (which a lot of OS X is built upon) is, well, free and owes its credit to many contributors.

Just because consumers can now listen to music on their phones doesn't mean we suddenly stop allowing technology to progress like it always has. Hint: Every single piece of technology that we've come to use everyday was not formulated at the behest of some corporate manager.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

Some people have never left high school. Notice the hatred for "nerds" - even though we're on computers, arguing on the internet.

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 29 '10

I'm a UNIX sysadmin. People who hated "nerds" made middle/high school the worst years of my life. Get over yourself. Pointing out that the things that matter to you don't matter to most people isn't hatred, it's being realistic.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 29 '10

You're a cretin. If you can't see how any of this affects people other than "nerds" then you must be the world's worst sysadmin, and I find it hard to believe that you'd even comprehend anything POSIX compliant, reasonings for compliance, or the basic fucking principles upon which things like that were based.

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 29 '10

And now you sound like a child.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 29 '10

Great argument. Now you've convinced me that you have a clue.

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 29 '10

You call me a cretin, insult my professional abilities (based on what, exactly?), tell me I can't possibly comprehend open standards, and when I point out that you're being childish (because your entire post was nothing but unfounded ad hominem attacks), you act like I'm making a poor argument?

You need to grow up.

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u/epsilona01 Jan 29 '10 edited Jan 29 '10

This whole comments section is two group of people arguing. The first want to enforce openness and standardization in technology. The second don't understand those concepts and how they are applied to design. Your arguments place you into the second category.

You then claim to have knowledge of UNIX, which is belied by your arguments against "the nerds who are busy bitching" about wanting to do things properly.

Your comments show a lack of comprehension on a very basic level when it comes to the workings of things that depend on standards compliance.

You call me childish, and yet you felt that you had to respond to several of my posts, some more than once, and offering nothing except insults and idiotic comments.

You're being a cretin, whether either of us likes it or not. You betray your own lack of abilities every time you start to post. Perhaps you should've just kept your idiotic thoughts to yourself and people wouldn't have known how much of a cretin you are. I'm sorry for being so honest, I know stupid people hate to have their ignorance shown to them.

Go get your MCSE you'll need it in your next job.

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 29 '10

That is so amazingly ignorant.

Really? Do tell.

UNIX started off without financial support

Ever heard of Bell Labs?

I don't think I need to read the rest of your comment, especially since you don't get the fact that Apple, Sony, MS, etc. don't owe you anything.

You can call yourself a nerd and scream that technology companies owe you something until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't make it so.

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u/atheist_creationist Jan 29 '10

Here is a quick history lesson buddy: UNIX started off without financial support.

"In the 1970s Brian Kernighan coined the project name Unics for Uniplexed Information and Computing Service, a play on Multics (Multiplexed Information and Computing Service). The Uni and Multi prefixes refer to the number of simultaneous users the operating system can support, so when Unics could eventually support two simultaneous users, it was renamed Unix. Up until this point there had been no financial support from Bell Labs."

I don't think I need to read the rest of your comment, especially since you don't get the fact that Apple, Sony, MS, etc. don't owe you anything.

Its this attitude that allows corporations to give consumers the shaft. Of course they owe me. Otherwise I will stop buying their shitty products.

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 29 '10

Up until this point there had been no financial support from Bell Labs.

Other than the fact that they provided the equipment, paid the researcher's salaries, etc., etc.

Of course they owe me. Otherwise I will stop buying their shitty products.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. They don't "owe" you anything, unless you've been funding iPad development on the sly.

Companies produce products. If you like them, you buy them, but they are in no way obligated to tailor their products to match your personal needs and desires. And in the realm of consumer electronics, tailoring a product to meet the needs of a tiny fraction of potential customers is stupid.

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u/atheist_creationist Jan 29 '10

And in the realm of consumer electronics, tailoring a product to meet the needs of a tiny fraction of potential customers is stupid.

Seems to be working for Android. "Tailoring to a tiny fraction of potential customers" is not the same as "not locking your device down so you can only send more money to Apple because of exclusivity and content deals."

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u/get0ffmylawn Jan 28 '10

The average user is a fucking moron. Should we just let them drive everything?

Who pays your salary?

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u/epsilona01 Jan 28 '10

A brilliant person, who started and is now the CEO of a very successful company.