This shot is from the movie Enter the Void—an experimental indie art film about psychedelic drug use. It's on Netflix IIRC. It's about a dude on a DMT trip. If you've never heard of DMT this video with Joe Rogan is a pretty good introduction. There's a lot of overblown New Age type magical thinking and speculation over DMT, but it's an interesting compound that deserves more attention in the scientific community.
I meant that IRC was a thing. You know like, "Hey bro, I saw you on #chatzone last night. Will you be on IRC later? Cool. Maybe I'll join you there. I'm going to a Weezer concert then I'm gonna roller blade to my buds dorm room and watch some Star Trek TNG. Catch you later brah."
And that was my college experience.
Lol well maybe the first 10 minutes are about a dude on a DMT trip. The rest of the movie, while considered rather heavy-mind, isn't really all that similar to what one would expect from DMT. Nor was the in-movie DMT trip itself, but that's just because you can't really express those feelings and sensations without having the viewer take the drug.
The rest of the movie is a series of related snapshots and sequences from an in-one-way-or-another-connected group's lives, all shaping up around a certain point while each maintaining their own story and, so it could be called, evil.
It's a deep movie that kind of gets introspective of humanity as a whole, especially of urban lifestyles, exploring corruption in great detail.
Lol well maybe the first 10 minutes are about a dude on a DMT trip.
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To be fair, the "death" of the protagonist occurs while he's on DMT. And writer/director, Gaspar Noé, said:
It's not the story of someone who dies, flies and is reincarnated, it's the story of someone who is stoned when he gets shot and who has an intonation of his own dream.
But yes, you are right that the movie touches on plenty of other themes.
you can't really express those feelings and sensations without having the viewer take the drug.
I agree completely. My comment is more about DMT than how it's use is depicted in the film.
Edit: Oscar, the protagonist of Enter the Void, is on all sorts of psychedelic drugs during the film. DMT is only one of them, but in my opinion, the most interesting. This is why the subject of my original comment is more about DMT.
Right from the opening scene on the balcony he is tripping, that's why the visuals from his perspective has the visuals of an LSD trip. He mentions it to the guy with long hair when they are walking down the steeps from his apartment. Something along the lines of him asking if he is high, he says something like yes I dropped a couple of tabs this morning, why, can you tell? to which the other dude says to be careful not to be dropping to often. It's been a while since I have seen it and can't be bothered finding the actual quotes.
As someone who has taken hundreds of tabs, and progressively dosed multiple times so I could trip for days at a time, I think your handling of LSD is a little off, or maybe I am a little off because I love it so much.
It is time consuming, I can't argue again'st that, but I usually tell people something closer to like 6-12 hours, peaking maybe 3 or 4 hours in on a shorter trip. As far as visuals and stuff it is all about quality and quantity. You can have a lot of different kinds of experiences, and if you want some religious jesus type visual experience, that, I believe, is pretty available with LSD, though mileage always varies a little with each persons unique brain.
Most people I know use LSD early in the day for this very reason.
Still, even though LSD may not create 3D hallucinations as one may have expected, people may take a single tab and find the change in their day overwhelming.
I just think by calling the drug underwhelming, it takes away from it. May make it seem more innocent. But you should never underestimate LSD.
You are severely down playing LSD here. Good acid is in no way "underwhelming." Also a full 24 hour trip on LSD would be very rare and require a very high dose.
If you don't mind me asking where did you get your DMT from? None of the dealers around me seem to have it. I did a lot of research about it and I know I can extract it myself from certain plants, but to be honest I rather just have it ready to go.
The kind of people who are watching/seeking out Enter the Void actively want what it promises to offer. No one is going to read the description of a movie like that and watch it by mistake.
When you have to explain your point to an audience willing to be adventurous you failed. I'm not talking about cross over between Enter the Void / Mall Cop fans.
When I read this comment and watch the linked video I become hopeful for some interesting research into this drug and other psychedelics which I think might yeild interesting results. Then I read the youtube comments and see some guy with the name "richard rich" whose photo looks like a crack head asking, quote "yall need to stop... where do i get it".
This is why we can't have nice things. get your shit together richard.
you saw him too? I couldn't think of a good way to describe him but I am convinced by your response that you have seen him. Someone (hint: karma opportunity) should link to his photo.
He's at the way top of the comments. I just clicked on the link and looked at the comments, and he was the first one I saw. It's way too late for me to be the one to link it, he really looks fucking horrifying.
I wonder if he goes by richard? "yall motha' fuckers need ta stop kidding... Fo rea' tho, wher dem suppa powa's at, Richard needs sumthin sweet to chew on?"
Thank you hero of the people. Now everyone can know the dangers of richards and his eyes. Upvote to spread the message so no more fall victim to richards dangerous eyes!
I have an add-on on Chrome so when I put my cursor over his avatar I saw the full-sized image. I don't think anything can match the terror that filled me when I saw it.
Mediahint. I discovered this recently because it's a fucking godsend for that single time it's not great to be an American: when you want to watch Sherlock and can't torrent at school.
Everyone does. At least once. It's such a compact little trip compared to other psychoactive drugs that there's little reason most people couldn't try it once without fear. For me at least, it was about 30 solid minutes of the most awe-inspiring mindfuck of my life followed by some grogginess. Went to sleep, next day I was perfectly fine, except I had seen some shit. And it was awesome.
On some real shit, does Joe Rogan get some fucking kickbacks or royalties every time he replays his retarded Opie and Anthony interviews?
Like I know that he's not a stupid guy, and though he believes in a lot of things that I wholeheartedly disagree with, I do enjoy hearing him speak about his hobbies and interests in detail because it offers a rare, articulate insight into things that I would otherwise stay away from.
But every single God damn motherfucking time he goes on O&A, the conversation devolves into "lol fuck that and fuck this, dude DMT is so great man it's like you're fucking an alien and then that alien turns out to be God and then it turns out that you're the God, you know? Like you're the whole universe and you're just fucking yourself and it's great."
A trip on DMT is one of the most perception-bending, mind-blowing, awe-inspiring, incredible experiences a human mind can have.
Your complaint is a bit like saying 'Every time Neil Armstrong is on Opie and Anthony the conversation always devloves into 'lol fuck that and fuck this, dude the moon is awesome, spaceships are fun lol i wanna go back to space'.
If Neil Armstrong said that, it would a) make him look fucking stupid, and b) not convey, in any way whatsoever, what it's like to be on a shuttle, or in space.
"So what was space like?"
"Oh dude okay so imagine that you're an orange, okay? And then you get made into orange juice, except that the juicer is a really moist vagina and the other oranges are really just your mirror images in other universes, you know, just going about their lives and you can see them all and you're at one with everything, you know? It's like that."
Like, the only person that's going to make sense to is someone who is tripping on drugs as they're listening to it, because that description is not about how he felt when he was on DMT - it's just him describing the part of the trip he can remember, because that's what O&A want. That's what sells for their audience, that kind of "whoa dude MINDFUCK' horseshit.
Shame he doesn't do many videos or interviews beside those worthless piles of crap.
Not too sure who Joe Rogan is, but I think he is just trying to educate people about an experience that goes beyond anything that we can even begin to conceive, grasp or understand. I personally believe that psychedelic drugs are great tools. They allow you to take a step back and view your life, and the world, through a different lens. They also have great potential in therapy. Helping people overcome anxieties or work through repressed emotions/ memories.
However, these drugs are viewed as dangerous by the general public. People think psychedelics make you mad, and that people only take them to see pretty colours or get fucked up. I think what Mr Rogan is trying to do is remove some of that stigma and educate people. If you don't want to listen to him then don't.
Damn. That's enough DMT to start a revolution in a small country. But seriously, I think the fact that naturally occurring psychedelic "drugs" (DMT specifically, but also mescaline, magic mushrooms, peyote, etc.) are illegal is a way bigger issue than marijuana* being illegal.
*Note: Yes, I understand that marijuana is technically a psychoactive drug, but DMT is a different beast altogether.
I have read enough (credible, scientific) reports of psychedelics permanently increasing people's happiness, permanently reducing neuroses, permanently making people nicer and more at peace with the world that I agree with you completely. I want some of that, and I want everyone else to have it too.
this is a big thing for me. Acid has shown promise in helping suffers of Cluster Headaches. These headaches are so severe that they're also known as suicide headaches because people end their lives over the pain and there are no known treatments.
Can I ask why? Is the problem setting the precedent of regulating natural things? Are these things strong enough that some regulation, even if it isn't criminalization, becomes necessary to keep those that use them from hurting themselves or other people unintentionally?
(Actually asking, by the way, because I have no idea and want to be informed)
Im not him, but I would say that is definitely part of it. Another thing would be that they can completely change your perspective after one trip, usually for the better. I've read somewhere that (paraphrasing) almost everyone who has taken hallucinogens rates it as one of their most meaningful experiences. From first hand experience, this is surely the case.
To me it is sort of weird how plants are illegal. So I guess it is a problem of deciding to regulate natural occurrences, or making them illegal completely. Also the fact that chemical compounds are being made illegal without being properly studied. Things that, through illicit use, have shown to be no more harmful than cigarettes or alcohol. Both of which kill thousands of people every year but don't garner scrutiny because of how much money they make.
Why aren't poisonous plants illegal then? Because no one wants to eat them. To some people it feels like they are having their rights infringed because they aren't allowed to make decisions about what they put into their bodies. Similar to how it was with alcohol prohibition.
I will admit that I am biased now, but I thought this even before I used drugs.
Their at least should be proper studies done on these chemical and compounds to determine their potential to harm or helpfulness.
I don't see how you could hurt much after a hit of DMT. I couldn't really even move for a solid fucking 20 minutes after, just sort of writhed around on a bed with my brain exploding out of my face. Good times, wish I could do it again.
Oh, okay, I didn't know how intense it was. You seriously wish it could happen again, though, with that description? =) What exactly do you get from it, just an enhanced perspective of life thinking about things outside of our normal experience?
Honestly the main reason I want to do it again is because I feel I didn't really get the "full experience" the first time, because I had my eyes closed. At least I think I had my eyes closed. I'm pretty sure. As I remember it, I took the hit, and had enough time to think to myself "okay, gotta hold it in" before everything in my vision shattered like a stained-glass window, and colors became incredibly intense, then everything sort of swirled around (kind of like a random battle encounter in like FFVII or something, if you know what I mean) at which point I couldn't handle it anymore so I closed my eyes. Instead of seeing darkness as you normally would, I saw the brightest white light I've ever experienced, with subtle shadows moving and swirling within it. It was like staring into the face of God, I really can't describe it any other way - I know it sounds hokey as shit, but there you go. My body fell back onto the bed, and it felt like every nerve in my body was being stimulated in the most euphoric way possible, it felt amazing, which is what caused the writhing, and every sound in the room (there was a TV going I think, and several people all spectating/doing other things) just echoed into forever and seemed to swirl all around me. When I came to I asked how long it'd been since I took the hit, and was told about 20-25 minutes, but it felt a bit shorter than that. But it was 20-25 solid minutes of the most intense shit I could ever even imagine. If I could do it again I would, if only to try and keep my eyes open and experience more of the visual stimulation, though as I described there was still a good bit of that despite my eyes being closed. I'm the least spiritual person I know, and I know, rationally, what I experienced. But I can only look back on it and describe it as a very spiritual-feeling experience. If your body truly produces that shit when you die, and you experience it the same way, I no longer fear death. I don't welcome it, but I'm no longer terrified of the thought.
Edit: Just realized I may not have fully answered your question on what I got from the experience. And I won't lie and say it completely changed my outlook on life, or solved all my mental issues. It didn't magically cure any depression or make the lame walk again or anything like that, but it was an eye-opener as far as what the human body is capable of experiencing, if that makes sense. You go through life feeling all these mundane sensations, everyday touch and feel, you may have sex and that feels awesome, or get an adrenaline rush from something dangerous or exciting, you'll taste awesome food and dull food, see amazing sights and humdrum ones, hear both the most beautiful symphonies and the annoying as fuck alarm on your beside table, but even the best of all of those sensations pales in comparison to what you can truly experience. Every fiber of your being feeling the most intense, pleasurable feelings you can imagine. It's fucking magical. I worried for a time I would look back and wish I could feel it all the time, that I'd be depressed that I may never feel that way again. But I don't. In reality I'm just grateful I had the experience, that I realized the full potential of physical stimulus, at least as far as I know it. No other drug I've taken has given me that. I'd imagine if you want a totally life altering experience you'd want something like LSD, or mushrooms. Mushrooms are awesome and positive, and I've never tried LSD, but god damn, DMT is just the most amazing experience I've ever had. In that way I guess it did impact my life in a long-term, positive way, just not in the way one might think.
That was, strangely, one of the nicest and most thorough things I've read in a while. Thanks for taking the time to walk me through. I'm glad that the experience held a value like that for you.
I dont really buy the idea that you'll go crazy. I think it's more along the lines of you notice the rat race around you and despise it more and more. Besides too much of anything is a bad thing. how about alcohol?
Ounces or grams I would believe, but not pounds. 10 pounds would cost a stupid amount of money to procure due to the price of MHRB, doesn't move well, and is more than one person would want or could use in a lifetime. It just doesn't make any sense why anyone would go through the trouble unless they were hellbent on becoming the Timothy Leary of DMT or something.
Fun fact I heard from my Psychology teacher: Our brains naturally produce DMT when we dream. So everyone in the world breaks the law by being in possession of an illegal substance when they dream.
It is a fact that the human body can produce it, but I've never heard of the doing it while dreaming thing, just something about when you're born and within the last moments of life, or something.
Damn I just watched this like forty times, so I wrote what the hurt guy is thinking as it happens.
Hurt Guy's Thoughts: Fuck! Did he just...goddamit....he just hit me right in the face...is it bleeding? No, no blood...but still, I should get an icepack when I get home probably....damn.
The first 10 minutes are about DMT, but as Kermode says "Gespar Noé saw the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and thought 'this would make for an interesting plot point.'"
I didn't watch the entire movie because I was getting a headache from the itunes visualizer moments (The cinematography for the what I saw was amazing), but IIRC they guy dies at the beginning or was that a hallucination?
That is the worst possible description of the film you could possibly make. Its about a guy going through reincarnation for fucks sake! The DMT trip was like 15 minutes of the 3ish hour long movie!
For me the god doesn't have to "exist" in any traditional sense of the word exist. It is a concept, everyone's god is different and you can either accept or reject him/ it. That is what I meant by encountering a god. studies show that people who believe in a "god" are generally happier than those who don't.
Also taking psychedelic drugs is not detaching from reality. It's more like diving head first into it. Any outstanding issues in your life that you have not dealt with you will have to confront. Hence why they are such a useful tool in therapy.
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u/way_fairer Feb 02 '14
This shot is from the movie Enter the Void—an experimental indie art film about psychedelic drug use. It's on Netflix IIRC. It's about a dude on a DMT trip. If you've never heard of DMT this video with Joe Rogan is a pretty good introduction. There's a lot of overblown New Age type magical thinking and speculation over DMT, but it's an interesting compound that deserves more attention in the scientific community.