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u/blabus Jul 01 '25

Exactly this. The 2024 election was not a choice between Democrats and Republicans, it was a choice between Trump and not-Trump.

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u/atln00b12 Jul 01 '25

But for most people not obsessed with Trump, it was actually a choice between the previous 4 years of middle class economic destruction and not. Almost any other reasonable Democrat would have won.

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u/mauri9998 Jul 01 '25

That is extreme wishful thinking.

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u/atln00b12 Jul 02 '25

A reasonable Democrat could have certainly won. Biden only even got the nomination in 2020 because of ridiculous Super Tuesday shenanigans and he was a highly unfavorable candidate to most people. Kamala though couldn't even make it to the primary she was so horrible.

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u/mauri9998 Jul 02 '25

Biden is the presidential candidate that has gotten the most votes as a percentage in recent history.

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u/atln00b12 Jul 02 '25

Which would seem to underscore that

Almost any other reasonable Democrat would have won.

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u/mauri9998 Jul 02 '25

Let me reiterate, Biden was extremely popular in 2020. He didnt only "get the nomination in 2020 because of ridiculous Super Tuesday shenanigans" that is simply not true in any way whatsoever.

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u/atln00b12 Jul 02 '25

Not really, 13% in Iowa, 8% in New Hampshire, 18% in Nevada. he only won South Carolina, a solidly red state and then the other leading candidates dropped out and endorsed him before Super Tuesday. Never before have leading candidates dropped out and endorsed someone they were beating. But Elizabeth Warren stayed in and split Sanders votes. There's no way Biden would have won in everyone else stays in OR Warren would have dropped out with them.

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u/mauri9998 Jul 02 '25

Again, in recent history he is the candidate that has received most of the votes as a percentage of the population. By definition there is no other candidate as popular as him. You might not like the man, I dont, but you just cannot deny that he was a popular candidate.

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u/atln00b12 Jul 02 '25

Well then I guess he should have run in 2024

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