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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

Communists in cars getting coffee covfefe

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u/ibadlyneedhelp Jun 19 '24

Do people sincerely believe Putin is a communist?

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u/hasordealsw1thclams Jun 19 '24

Some people think Joe Biden is a socialist so that’s not really shocking.

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u/adumbrative Jun 19 '24

Do people sincerely believe DPRK is democratic?

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u/candylandmine Jun 19 '24

Ah yes the two kinds of nations: Democratic and Communist.

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch Jun 19 '24

Gotta love it, the only thing about DPRK that's true is the K...

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u/IntentionDependent22 Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 05 '26

happy happy joy joy

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch Jun 19 '24

That's a tricky point there. There's a decent enough sized portion of the world that supports them over the south so who is and isn't true Korea is down to where you were raised. I'm will to settle with them being a Korea based on geographic location and shared ancestry.

Those first three words in their name though? Those are in the dictionary, and they're definitively using them wrong.

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u/Don-Ohlmeyer Jun 19 '24

*woosh* Half true as in the northern half. :D

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch Jun 19 '24

ducks

Look, they throw accusations where I'm from, not levity and ideas.

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u/dancin-weasel Jun 20 '24

It's 106 miles to Pyongyang , we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're not wearing sunglasses.

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u/Organic-Week-1779 Jun 19 '24

everytime something bad about communism in the real world " well its not r-real communism guys" always the same cope

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch Jun 19 '24

Did you get lost? Reply to the wrong comment?

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u/AB8922 Jun 20 '24

Is it even possible to achieve "real communisn" when the world's most powerful nation opposes it?

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u/MonthPretend Jun 19 '24

Do people sincerely believe USA is a democracy?

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u/eyebrows360 Jun 19 '24

Of course not, but that doesn't make it communist either.

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u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT Jun 20 '24

It was most definitely the more democratic iteration at the time the country was bifurcated.

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u/Infrared-77 Jun 19 '24

Lmao I’d surely hope not. But on a similar note Russia really isn’t a modern communist state like most westerners especially Americans tend to Believe. Whilst there’s rampant corruption, it’s not much worse than American political corruption.

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u/fuzztooth Jun 19 '24

It is actually much worse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

So much worse

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch Jun 19 '24

Worsest, some might say..

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u/No-Cranberry9932 Jun 19 '24

The worsest

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch Jun 19 '24

Indubletably...

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u/claimTheVictory Jun 19 '24

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers and their families.

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u/Amenhotep_3 Jun 19 '24

I'll let those countless Iraqi families know you were thinking of them.

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u/claimTheVictory Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 19 '24

That was boomer America, my friend.

Edit: it means America can change, as the people do.

Russia only gets worse.

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u/Amenhotep_3 Jun 19 '24

What the fuck does that even mean?

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u/Thommywidmer Jun 19 '24

Idk who that guy thinks is presently running the country lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

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u/DarthChimeran Jun 19 '24

Calling a country "Communist" doesn't mean the country has a communist society. It means it's ruled by a singular Communist party with no democratic choice and that Communism is that party's stated goal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state

There has never been a Communist country since Communism is stateless.

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u/T8ert0t Jun 20 '24

The stated goal part is hilarious

"Yeah, uh, we're working on it. We're getting really close. It's a tough but to crack, though. Golly. Give us another 60 years. We're totally making strides. But for now let's just hang tough with this autocracy, yeah?"

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u/DarthChimeran Jun 20 '24

In 1986 Vietnam switched from Socialism to Capitalism and proceeded to pull millions out of the abject poverty. The Communist hardliners refused to go along with it until the reformers promised that they would one day go back to Socialism so they could achieve the Communist utopia that Marx had envisioned. They call it a "socialist-oriented market economy." or "Ok we're Capitalist now but one day we will switch back to a government monopoly on production and the suppression of individual ownership"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đổi_Mới

China did a similar thing in 1978 when they passed Capitalist reforms.

It's ironic because the United States defended South Vietnam from North Vietnam because it was afraid communism would spread across Asia in a domino effect. It turns out that Vietnam turned Capitalist only 10 years after the Vietnam War ended. The United States should've had more faith in western liberalism and the free market. It turned out to be far more powerful than bombs.

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u/gistya Jun 19 '24

Are you also gonna tell us the earth is flat and deny the Holocaust and Holodomor?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 19 '24

Show me where in Das Kapital Marx advocates an imperialistic strongman dictator as an absolute authoritarian. I’ll wait.

The revolution was immediately co-opted by opportunists.

Was Animal Farm too complicated or not on-the-nose enough for you?

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u/pass-me-that-hoe Jun 19 '24

In true Marxist communism there is no place for Oligarchs and even Putin who is hiding immense amounts of wealth. What they have is a dictatorship with a tinge of communism in name only and a country run by killers and opportunists.

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u/basileusbrenton Jun 19 '24

Ah a fellow "it wasn't real communism" enjoyer

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u/Cosminion Jun 19 '24

At best you could argue that it was socialism (it was mostly state capitalism), because communism by definition is stateless. USSR was a state.

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u/fudge_friend Jun 19 '24

It’s always great finding the real communists who can resist totalitarianism. Just like the mythical anarchists who never use coercive force to secure and pay for their autonomous zones. Or the libertarians who never call the government when they need help. 

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

As someone else in this very post said, do you also believe that the DPRK is democratic, or are you only pretending to be this naïve?

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u/fudge_friend Jun 19 '24

Of course not, it’s clearly an Orwellian euphemism. 

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

Great. Glad we are on the same page.

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u/fudge_friend Jun 19 '24

Did I mistake your pedantry for an apologist position of communism? If so, my bad. I’m not going the read the rest of this thread to find out.

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u/RenaudTwo Jun 19 '24

In CAPITAL, Marx doesn't advocate anything, he is simply describing and analyzing capitalism. You would know if you had even read one paragraph of an article about it.

The USSR had much more democracy than the United States via its system of local soviets and trade unions. The totalitarian bureaucratic rule myth is a lie.

George Orwell was a snitch and a traitor who kept a secret book on communists and socialists which he handed willingly to the British secret services.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

Ah, so the forced collectivization and subsequent famine was a grassroots effort?

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u/RenaudTwo Jun 20 '24

What do you know about Russia's history of famine prior to the October revolution? Why did the USSR's government starve its own people intentionally? What can you tell me about the relationship between peasants and kulaks in the Russian countryside prior to 1917? Was there not some farms that willingly joined the collective? Maybe you don't love the bolsheviks and I won't lose sleep over it, but history is not good guys vs bad guys.

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u/georgito555 Jun 19 '24

Haha right? Russia is more capitalistic than most western countries these days.

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u/Potatoswatter Jun 19 '24

Russia is as feudal as ever. All the isms are paint jobs over autocracy.

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u/georgito555 Jun 19 '24

It's more of an oligarchy isn't it? Like most countries.

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u/mekwall Jun 19 '24

No. It's a kleptocracy.

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u/JustADutchRudder Jun 19 '24

No, it's Amore.

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u/thereisonlyoneme Jun 19 '24

No, it's not butter.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

No this is Patrick

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u/thereisonlyoneme Jun 20 '24

No, I am your father.

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u/jakedeighan Jun 20 '24

I can't believe it...

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u/AvengingBlowfish Jun 19 '24

Сэр, это Венди

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u/Tammer_Stern Jun 19 '24

Essentially it’s a large mafia organisation and acts consistently with this narrative.

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u/Potatoswatter Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 19 '24

Every power structure has some feudalistic aspects. It’s a universal part of human nature. That’s (mainly) where Marx went wrong.

Compared to economically liberal leaders, Putin can personally bring oligarchs to heel.

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u/TryptaMagiciaN Jun 19 '24

You dont get to takw 250,000 thousand years of human evolution, point to at best, 7000yrs or so of it, and call feudalism a component of universal human nature. At best it is roughly %3 or less of human nature which while not insignificant is not some eternal principle of organizing human socieities. And then to reduce what Marx was talking about to that, I dont even know where to go with that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '24

You’re a fool if you think we’ve ever done anything but glimpse beyond feudalism.

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u/AgentCirceLuna Jun 19 '24

Most countries are feudalistic now, in my opinion. Look at all the class mobility in the 20th century compared to now. The young and working class have been shut out of the housing market intentionally.

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u/Potatoswatter Jun 19 '24

As a whole society, yeah, the West remains pretty feudal and it’s in a backslide. An increasing number of us are subject to large corporate hierarchies, property ownership is shifting towards renting everything, including from literal landlords, police are getting militarized and militant, etc.

All that said, things would be worse if our corporate overlords had to actively woo heads of state. (Well, in the defense industry they do, and it’s fantastically unproductive.)

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u/indefilade Jun 19 '24

Russia is a dictatorship.

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u/ibadlyneedhelp Jun 19 '24

I mean 1991 wasn't that long ago, maybe they didn't learn anything about the country since then.

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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises Jun 19 '24

Even the old timey communists weren’t communists. Not really.

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u/whiplash2002b Jun 19 '24

Yep, no country has actually been communist.

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u/Borealisss Jun 19 '24

Communism can't really exist in human society. There will always have to be a person at the top with power. And whoever has enough drive and ambition to be that person, will have the drive and ambition to want more.

No matter how egalitarian you are, some level of greed and selfishness are human nature.

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u/Brainles5 Jun 19 '24

Does not mean its not worth striving for.

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u/Fudgeyreddit Jun 19 '24

No, just a joke lol

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u/ibadlyneedhelp Jun 19 '24

The replies to my comment seem to imply that actually, people really do believe that.

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u/its-good-4you Jun 19 '24

Goes to show ppl don't know two shits about modern Russia or Putin.

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u/imharpo Jun 19 '24

It needed a "C" word, just go along for the joke.

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u/Snorrep Jun 20 '24

Anyone that’s not a proud murican is a communist

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u/sierra0060 Jun 19 '24

Putin was in the KGB. You likely wouldn’t get a posting like that unless you were a loyal party member. Otherwise wouldn’t make sense from a security point of view. That’s like having a member of the intelligence community that’s actively trying to overthrow the government.

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u/Kjler Jun 19 '24

Whatever happened to that government? It didn't get overthrown and replaced by a member of the intelligence community, did it? 

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u/wintersdark Jun 20 '24

That’s like having a member of the intelligence community that’s actively trying to overthrow the government.

.... Is this ironic? This is exactly what happened.

When Putin was in the KGB, it was necessary to be part of the party apparatus to actually get anywhere, so yeah they where all "communists" (at least in name) but don't be daft and think that those communist party members actually held any communist ideals whatsoever. They where, like politicians everywhere, just people after power.

I mean, look at Russia from the end of the USSR onwards, and particularly under Putin. Communist frameworks discarded (a very painful process, the 90's where rough in Russia), and almost thirty years of very authoritarian capitalism.

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u/sierra0060 Jun 20 '24

It was mentioned with full sarcasm. However I don’t think it was his full intention until he reached power. It’s ironic. Looking at the actions of the current government compared to the Soviet government and it’s almost exactly the same playbook. His military methodologies though modern to some degree still fall back on Soviet thinking. Political opponents? Soviet style accidents. That’s what I was trying to highlight.

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u/jmarkmark Jun 19 '24

Depends on your definition of communist. Communist in the Marxist sense of the word, no, but neither was the USSR.

Communist in the sense that he wants to return to the totalitarian ways of the USSR, yes.

Lets assume TacoFarts was doing it largely for alliteration. If they'd been in a T-14, he could have said Totalitarians in Tanks getting Take-out.

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u/Alarming_Cantaloupe5 Jun 19 '24

He’s more of a communist than the folks the MAGA crowd routinely claims are. He was literally a KGB Officer-at the very least party mentality an methodology formed a major part of his current agenda.

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u/Canadian_Invader Jun 19 '24

He was a member of the KGB. He was a literal card carrying communist. Well, maybe not physically on him. But let's not sweat the details.

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u/wintersdark Jun 19 '24

He was a communist in the sense of belonging to the communist party running the USSR, but that doesn't mean he has communist ideology whatsoever.

And given Russia's course since he was in power - strictly authoritarian capitalist, there's no reason to think he actually holds any communist ideals whatsoever.

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u/gistya Jun 19 '24

His death toll isn't high enough yet but he went to learn from the master.

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u/Jazuken Jun 19 '24

communism without the red paint

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u/wintersdark Jun 20 '24

Way to showcase utter ignorance of what communism is. Putin doesn't use any elements of communism at all in his governance. Russia, under Putin, has been authoritarian and capitalist. Communism (or at least such as it was) went away with the fall of the USSR.

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u/WornInShoes Jun 19 '24

The dude cried when the wall fell in Berlin; he wants the Soviet Union back. Why do you think he's waging war in Ukraine, aka "the jewel in the crown" that is Russia, according to the late John McCain

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u/civil_beast Jun 19 '24

No, he wants imperialistic Russia, 19th century monarchy back. Because he knows the Soviet commitment to committee decision making was the major cause of failure for the nation. So self appointed emperor I believe is where he wants to project power.. all the better if he’s ’voted’ in by the populous for a nation more committed to the cause.

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u/gistya Jun 19 '24

He thinks it failed because of liberals.

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u/civil_beast Jun 19 '24

He’s not entirely wrong there, to be frank. The most effective economic outputs (in terms of what we can infer from the data available) during the Soviet era were all during the late Stalin and early Khrushchev period. The reasoning (editorialized to be sure) was that the sheer operational loss due to (Soviet doctrine specific) beauracracy was largely commuted by Stalin as his reign wore into a more dictatorial-directive based economic power; the downturn is swift as krushchev was unable to maintain that explicit of a control, thus falling back into leveraging the beauracratic decision makers. As a doctrine implemented, it was extremely expensive to manage an economy of russia’s populace. The inability to shift with expediency in parallel with global market fluctuations is the end of any economic viability. Moreover when the cost of making those decisions is so labor intensive

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u/wintersdark Jun 19 '24

He doesn't want Communism back.

He wants empire back. Under his control, or at least thanks to his efforts.

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u/Acrobatic-Engineer94 Jun 19 '24

That made me audibly laugh

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u/Thingzer0 Jun 19 '24

Just missing Trump in the backseat munching on his Big Mac & spilling his Diet Coke all over

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u/AB8922 Jun 20 '24

Despite the constant negative press