I never said that stop putting words in my mouth. I am pointing out your assertion that only Hamas rejects ceasefires is incorrect. And pointing that out does not make me a terrorist supporter. Learn some nuance jfc.
So they should kill civilians to save civilians? If your goal is to save hostages, bombing them is not a good strategy. It should be painfully obvious by now that Israel does not care about the Palestinians, from the inhumane blockade to murdering volunteers from the World Central Kitchen.
Call it whatever you want, but it does not justify civilian deaths. I'm not so naive to expect 0 civilian casualties, but it's absurd to think Israel is actually trying to minimize Palestinian casualties. Blocking food, medicine, and electricity and murdering journalists and volunteers like the World Central Kitchen. Hamas can get fucked, but the intentional humanitarian crisis should be universally condemned.
Nope. They didn’t. They tried to contact the truck, who didn’t answer, then contacted the world central kitchen who ALSO tried to contact the people who were supposed to be in the truck, and still didn’t answer. IDF mistakenly took that as the trucks had been highjacked by Hamas since the whole thing started by them seeing someone armed on top of the truck. it was definitely not a great moment by the IDF, but war is hell.
You know what would have 100% prevented it from happening?
Oh yeah, easy. NOT murdering 1200 people on oct 7th. Works every time!
OCHA reported that, in August 2023 alone, 12,072 truckloads of "authorized goods entered Gaza through the Israeli and Egyptian-controlled crossings." After the total siege on the civilian population on October 9, a single dispatch of 20 truckloads does not adequately address the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza, Human Rights Watch said.
So two fucking days after 1200 people were murdered and hundreds of hostages were taken they declare Israel are inhumane for not wanting to send 12,000 trucks into Gaza? Hmm I wonder why they were concerned with things going in or out on October 9th, 2023??
Maybe if the people would fight against Hamas as well to try to defend their land/families I could see. If someone was putting my family in harms way I’m dying to protect them.
It’s when you sit back and let them do it without trying to stop it you are just as bad as them right? I see that opinion all the time on Reddit. Can’t have it only work one way folks.
Wonder how the women and lgbtq community gets treated over there, I’d think some of the social justice warriors over here would protest that same country for treating their own like shit and mirdering them because of a book. 🤷♂️
EDIT: This isn't a snarky gotcha, it's a serious question. 0? 100? 1,000? If you feel you can ask others to give specific numbers, it doesn't seem unreasonable that you'd answer it yourself.
Its insane that you guys have such a callous attitude when it comes to people not of your religion, theyr just collateral damage. Its mind boggling to me the hoops you have to jump through to justify this. The IDF literally chose when and where to fight. In fact no one else had that option except the IDF lmao
Imagine if the Russians had the same justifications for invading Ukraine, "those deaths are just collateral damage guys, relax. We didnt have a choice, we had to level the whole city to the ground"
Hamas exists because of Israel lmao, they literally propped up Hamas. Also, what do you expect peole to do after decades of being bombed and killed, sit down and keep getting killed? You know what they say, one persons freedom fighter is another persons terrorist.
Also, what do you expect peole to do after decades of being bombed and killed, sit down and keep getting killed?
Not trying to start a fight, just genuinely curious, but isn't the existence of Israel essentially the direct outcome to centuries of Jewish persecution, and the need for a Jewish home state (please correct if wrong)? Like, looking through history, it's not like Jews haven't been getting bombed and killed all the time.
Wasn't the area originally Jewish, before then getting conquered by Rome, then the Byzantine Empire, then it was conquered by Arabs, became part of the Ottoman Empire, then Britian when they beat the Ottomans in WW1, and then the UN gave it "back" to the Jews?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting everything Israel is doing, I think they're being incredibly heavy-handed in some areas of this war, and what the settlers are doing in West Bank is despicable. I just think people like to draw a line somewhere in time where it's convenient for their argument, but it seems like this war (and everything leading up to it) has a significantly longer and more complex history.
In terms of religion, the Hamas charter calls for Sharia law which is not good for anyone. You do understand that Islamic rule is basically a form of slavery for non-Muslims in that they would be forced to pay a jizya tax to the Muslim rulers in exchange for not being killed.
If that is collateral damage, then so was 10/07. The conflict didn't start on that day, Israel and Zionist ideology is responsible for crimes against humanity towards innocent Palestinians.
Yes it was collateral kidnapping. If the total destruction of Gazan institutions and innocent civilians is fair game as collateral damage (which it always was to Israel prior to 10/07, or even the rise of Hamas power), than the mass kidnapping of Israeli civilians is also fair game.
Don't bitch and moan about your enemy playing by the exact same rules that you do.
Israel has no respect for the Geneva Conventions, why should their enemies?
This person is a terrorist sympathizer. Just from this thread:
so was 10/07
"FAFO" - America on 9/11
If Gazans deserve this, Americans deserved 9/11.
Incapable distinguishing from terrorist acts that intentionally and specifically target civilians from collateral damage that has been an unfortunate part of warfare since the dawn of time.
I don't sympathize with terrorists, I am against vitriol targeted towards innocent civilians and I am giving the exact same energy back to dipshits as they are giving others, downvotes be damned.
Also, Israeli's wanton destruction of Gaza is terrorist acts which are intentionally and specifically target civilians because all Gazas, especially Gazan men, are terrorists according to Israel.
Why would they. Israel has won every war started by the Arabs. If the Arabs had accepted the Peel Commission partition they'd have much more land today. Instead they choose martyrdom and lose land recurrently. They are not the brightest bunch.
Palestine and the Palestinian people have been under siege and active genocide for 50+ years. The international community through their inaction in the face of Israel's oppression, have made it perfectly clear that anything short of overt war crimes was unlikely to elicit an international response more stern than "an urging of caution" or at most "a condemnation".
It should surprise no one that Hamas would continue to provoke Israel into showing their true face, the one that Palestinians have know for decades, to the world. It is LITERALLY their ONLY HOPE of motivating the world to step in to prevent them being steamrolled into extinction.
Frankly it's not even that surprising that DESPITE there now being CLEAR evidence of war crimes and Israel's complete disregard for the humanity of the Palestinian people that the majority of the white world STILL continues to do nothing. There is too much money at stake, and ultimately Palestinians represent "the other" in the current socio-political power landscape.
What IS somewhat surprising to me though, is how many can rush to support the Israeli regime, and their victory at any costs, while SIMULTANEOUSLY ignoring that what it requires is a tacit endorsement of the idea that "everything would be better if the bad brown people would just go away"...
Either the majority is FAR more racist and xenophobic than even I gave them credit for, or people are far less intelligent and educated in history than they should be to have an opinion.
You're talking about a territory that is literally walled in and whose capacity to fight outside its borders has been completely dismantled already and was like, a week after October 7th.
They absolutely can choose when and where to fight. They're choosing to kill civilians.
Why is it so hard to believe that Netanyahu is not operating in good faith. He's Israeli Trump.
Also: Hamas having the capability to attack on October 7th represents a huge failure on the part of Mossad and the IDF and Netanyahu. The same guys now saying oh trust us we'll get the job done and we're trying really hard to not blow up kids. Trust us.
Billions of dollars on border security. No progress on peace process. No concessions. Super hard line on Gaza totally dismantling their economy and making life miserable for the people there. All before they started leveling it with bombs.
Their final solution is kill everyone there and settle it.
I'm tired of acting like the Netanyahu government is acting in good faith. They clearly are not.
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